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Old 22-10-2012, 10:19 AM   #81
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Wah menyesatkan nih... trus kenapa Evra banyak dibilang kancrut musim lalu? Apa dia nggak mau maju nyerang? Overlapping emang tuntutan Fullback saat ini tapi apa defence bukan tuntutan juga? Apakah fullback yang jarang maju karena sibuk menahan serangan salah?

Menilai Rafael average vs Stoke sangat lucu dan aneh hanya karena dia invisible saat nyerang. Dia sangat disiplin saat bertahan dan menurutku di antara 4 pemaen belakang dia yang paling bagus permainannya. Tapi apa yang ditunjukkan dia tidak dapet apresiasi hanya karena dia lebih sibuk bertahan dibanding bantu serangan. Susah juga... full back bertahan dengan disiplin disaat banyak serbuan dibilang average.

Aku sangat setuju membantu serangan adalah tuntutan fullback saat ini, tapi menilai permainan jelek fullback hanya karena dia bertahan dengan solid dan jadi jarang maju sangat menyesatkan. Sangat mendiskreditkan permainan Rafael vs Stoke.
wah wah gagal paham gw maksud posting nya, bukan nya udah gw jelasin Fullback is about defence and offence, ngga ada kan gw bilang cuma offence doank ?


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Yup menurut opini gw tuntutan fullback modern tidak hanya bertahan, apalagi kalo lo main di Inggris seorang fullback dituntut membantu serangan, over lapping dengan, mengisi posisi sayap dan itu semua bukan second job melainkan bagian dari main job..


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Ya Rafael average karena dia ngga ada helping attack, serangan dari sayap kanan melempem sepanjang pertandingan..
what ?? kita banyak diserang ? you kidding me
yang benar bukan nya kita yang sibuk menyerang dengan trio Persie, Rooney dan Welbeck sampai2 Valencia seperti terkucilkan dalam permainan, selain sekali assist selebih ngga keliatan dan mereka hanya menyerang sekali2 dengan direct pass..
United : Stoke
Ball Possession : 64% 36%
Total Passes Completed : 563 252

PS : yang warna merah, Average ngga sama dengan jelek, jangan mengaburkan permasalahan bro
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Old 22-10-2012, 11:03 AM   #82
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wah wah gagal paham gw maksud posting nya, bukan nya udah gw jelasin Fullback is about defence and offence, ngga ada kan gw bilang cuma offence doank ?

Ya Rafael average karena dia ngga ada helping attack, serangan dari sayap kanan melempem sepanjang pertandingan..
what ?? kita banyak diserang ? you kidding me
yang benar bukan nya kita yang sibuk menyerang dengan trio Persie, Rooney dan Welbeck sampai2 Valencia seperti terkucilkan dalam permainan, selain sekali assist selebih ngga keliatan dan mereka hanya menyerang sekali2 dengan direct pass..
United : Stoke
Ball Possession : 64% 36%
Total Passes Completed : 563 252

PS : yang warna merah, Average ngga sama dengan jelek, jangan mengaburkan permasalahan bro
Banyak diserang disini dibandingkan sisi kiri. Setiap direct pass dari Stoke larinya ke sisi kanan United. Dan Rafael bisa nahan semua. Dan itu sangat aku apresiasi.

He... oke jelek disitu emang ambigu. Buat aku average buat penampilan bagus Rafael vs Stoke sama aja jelek #ngeles

Buat Valencia... jangan lah di ikut2an. Dia lagi off form saat ini. Tidak hanya saat lawan Stoke, tapi mayoritas awal musim ini. Valencia off eh Rafael juga kena imbas average.

Statistik ya... baru cek di whoscored.com

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http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/614983/MatchReport/England-Premier-League-2012-2013-Manchester-United-Stoke
42% serangan stoke dari sisi kanan United dibanding 24% dari sisi kiri. 39% serangan United dari sisi kanan dibanding 28% dari sisi kiri. Shot pun sama kanan kiri 13%.

Statistik pribadi Rafael vs Evra
Rating 7.24 - 7,33

Statistik offensive:
Shot 1 - 1
Shot on target 0 - 0
Key pass 0 - 2
Dribel 0 - 2
Was fouled 2 - 2
Turnovers 1 - 3

Statistik defensive:
Tackle 2 - 1
Interception 2 - 1
Clearance 8 - 5
Effective Clearance 4 - 3
Shot blocked 1 - 1
Fouls 3 - 0

Statistik Passing:
Passing 51 - 44
Pass accuracy % 92 - 95
Crosses 4 - 2
Accurate crosses 2 - 1
Long balls 3 - 4
Accurate long balls 3 - 4

Yup... emang untuk membantu serangan Evra unggul, tapi tidak jelek buat Rafael di sisi lain. Apalagi mengingat sisi kanan jadi target serangan Stoke.
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Default Re: [EPL] Manchester United 4-2 Stoke City

debat apaan sih? sudah...sudah...khan dah menang...

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Pengakuan dari si bos nih,

"Rafael was our best player on Saturday [against Stoke]," the boss told reporters at a press conference at Old Trafford on Monday.

Mantep dah...
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Pengakuan dari si bos nih,

"Rafael was our best player on Saturday [against Stoke]," the boss told reporters at a press conference at Old Trafford on Monday.

Mantep dah...

Bukan hanya bos mas, itu jurnaslinya si coppack, mark, sama salomon jg ngomong gt Evra jg mainnya lumayan katanya, nahloh..
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Bukan hanya bos mas, itu jurnaslinya si coppack, mark, sama salomon jg ngomong gt Evra jg mainnya lumayan katanya, nahloh..
Yup... Evra bermain bagus juga. Tapi aku lebih apresiasi ke Rafael. Dia jadi target serangan Stoke tapi tetap tenang dan solid. Dibanding musim2 sebelumnya dia saat ini makin matang dalam hal defence. Mungkin efek vs Everton akhir musim lalu jadi salah satu momen pematangan dia. Moga bisa terus konsisten.
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