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Default Jenjang Umur Pemain United

Menyikapi aksi Fergie yang terlihat adem anyem di bursa transfer musim ini, dan yakin akan skuad yang ada saat ini, Saya mencoba melihat dari segi positif aja.
Memang United saat ini memiliki 25-30 pemain si 1st team maupun di reserves, tapi yg perlu dkhawatirkan adalah jenjang usia para pemain terlampau sangat panjang.

Starting XI saat United menjamu Celtic sabtu kemarin melihatkan yg sebenarnya, VDS,Scholes,dan Giggs turun mendampingi pemain muda macam Rafael,Fabio,Obertan.Smalling,Evans,Diouf,dll. Memang sih ada nama Berba dan Fletcher sebagai mentor yg usianya tidak terlalu jauh dengan para pemain muda lainnya.

Vida dan Evra dihubungkan dengan Real semakin dekat, Rio masi bergelut trus dng cederanya, Hargo pun demikian.

Memang nama-nama yg mengisi pre season kali ini dijadikan Fergie sebagai fondasi tim utama United kelak nanti, Rooney dan Fletcher disiapkan jd pemipin kelak.

Tapi yg jd concern disini adalah usia pemain tertua nanti disaat mereka pensiun, apakah Rooney,Fletcher atau yg lain Siap menjadi pemimpin tim??

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NB: Usia pemain diatas +1 ya hehe maklum database FM2009

Masi ada nama Chris Smalling 20 tahun dan Javier Hernandez 22 tahun
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Sepertinya meskipun para pemain uzur tinggal memiliki waktu 1 thn lg d United, sesuai kontraknya, kayaknya msh ada nama2 seperti Fletch, Roo, Evra (terlepas dr rumor ke madrid), masih bisa disiapkan musim ini sbg pembimbing darah muda di skuad. Soalnya diantara skuad united selain 3 'opa2' itu, hanya pemain diatas yg rasanya uda bisa dikatakan dapet pengalman yg cukup di berbagai gelaran perebutan gelar. Premierleague, Carling, FA, Community, Champions, World CLub, sampe Liga eropa. Mreka pernah mencicipi semua event tersebut. Jadi setidaknya mereka memiliki mental yg cukuplah untuk membimbing para United muda... Secara mental, pengalaman, adaptasi, dan karakter. IMHO
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Old 20-07-2010, 04:21 PM   #3
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Masih ada beberapa pemaen seperti Rooney yang sempet digadang2 jadi kapten United dimasa depan. Juga ada Fletcher (kapten Skotlandia), Park (kapten Korsel), Evra (kapten Prancis di afsel kemaren - meski akhirnya bikin ulah) yang tentunya punya jiwa kepemimpinan yang kuat. Emang sih klo dilihat dari skuad saat ini setelah trio alumni class of '92, VDS, dan Rio ada sedikit gap dalam hal kepemimpinan tapi rasanya Fergie juga menyadari hal itu. Mungkin dengan jadinya Fletcher sebagai kapten di ujicoba kemaren membuktikan bahwa Fergie pun sedang menyiapkan suksesor kepemimpinan. Bisa jadi di pertandingan berikutnya bukan Fletcher yang jadi kapten, mungkin Evans. Mungkin selama musim 2010/2011 ini kita akan lihat calon-calon pemimpin United di masa depan bakalan di kasih kepercayaan sebagai kapten sebagai sarana persiapan menjelang pemaen senior pensiun.

Tema ini dikit diulas di RoM meski disitu juga dikaitkan dengan arsenal. Tapi dari tulisan disana sedikit kita lihat bahwa United punya cukup banyak calon pemimpin di tim. Evans juga digadang-gadang jadi calon kapten United selain Fletcher dan Rooney.

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aku sih tidak terlalu khawatir soal siapa yang menjadi pemimpin tim masa depan...

Roo dan Fletcher kalau terus berkembang dan tetap di United...aku rasa akan jadi kapten dan wakil kapten masa depan...

yang aku khawatir kan justru regenerasi yang terlalu lambat di beberapa posisi...

jadi masalah yang ku lihat justru bukan siapa yang akan jadi pemimpin tim...
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dengan adanya regulasi BPL baru mism depan, dipastikan nih Fergie ga bakal beli pemain lagi..kuota pemain home grown player jg udh memenuhi klub.

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Home-grown quota for Premier League
The Premier League will introduce a squad cap of 25 players and a quota on home-grown players from next season.




The 20 clubs have agreed the introduction of a home-grown player rule, which will take effect at the start of the 2010/11 campaign.

From next season, clubs must include eight home-grown players out of a squad of 25.‬‪

A home-grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21).‬‪

Clubs will be able to supplement their squads with unlimited additional players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences.

Changes to the squad list of 25 may be made during the period of a transfer window.‬‪

Chief executive Richard Scudamore confirmed: "As of next season clubs will be required to have a squad named of up to 25 players, of which no more than 17 can be over the age of 21 and not home grown.

"The definition of home grown is trained for three years under the age of 21 by somebody in the English and Welsh professional system.

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"Clubs will have to declare their 25 at the end of August when the window shuts and then again at the end of January."

Premier League Academies have 320 scholars aged between 16 and 18 and a further 2,486 students aged under 16. ‬‪

Over 85 per cent of Academy scholars (16 - 18 years of age) are British, a proportion that rises to around 95 per cent for students (under 16 age groups).‬‪

Academic standards, as judged by Ofsted, are good and the welfare of the young people is of paramount importance to the Premier League and its clubs.

Scudamore believes the England team will ultimately reap the reward of the new ruling which he feels in unlikely to encourage clubs to hoard young overseas players.

"It's not in the club's interests to stockpile players. It will make buying home-grown talent more attractive," he said.

"We're not going down the route of a nationality test but what this will mean is that you just can't buy a team from abroad.

"We think it will give clubs an extra incentive to invest in youth. We think that one of the benefits will be that it will help the England team."

Sports minister Gerry Sutcliffe has welcomed the Premier League's new rules on home-grown players as being good for the long-term health of football.

Sutcliffe said: "I welcome the Premier League's introduction of a home-grown player quota for squads and its implementation of strengthened financial reporting rules.

"These moves will encourage clubs to develop and bring through young talent and help ensure clubs are financially stable."
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Old 21-07-2010, 08:58 AM   #6
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dengan adanya regulasi BPL baru mism depan, dipastikan nih Fergie ga bakal beli pemain lagi..kuota pemain home grown player jg udh memenuhi klub.

Pernah dibahas nih sekedar mengingatkan :
Sebenernya klo dilihat dari faktor aturan homeground player emang United udah memenuhi aturan itu, tapi klo masalah kuota pemaen rasanya United masih bisa membeli pemaen baru kok. Kan pemaen yang <21 tahun awal tahun ini nggak perlu masuk kuota 25 pemaen, jadi pemaen2 seperti Smalling, Chicharito, Rafael dan fabio, termasuk cleverley dan beberapa lain nggak perlu masuk kuota.

Jadi klo alasan regulasi BPL fergie nggak beli pemaen bisa jadi bener tapi juga tidak tepat karena alasan diatas, IMHO . Tapi klo pake alasan United nggak punya duit aku benerin .

OOT dikit ya... maap.
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Interval umur pemain United dari Macheda-VDS memang sangat jauh, beda 19 tahun, tapi kalo diliat dari keseluruhan umur pemain jarak antara pemain rata2 cuma 1-3 tahun...
United player terbagi 4 kelompok umur..
pemain muda
Rafael, Fabio, Cleverley, Macheda,Hernandez, Smalling, Obaertan, Amos dll
Pemain yang akan/sedang memasuki puncak permainan
Rooney, Nani, Valencia, Fletcher, Vidic, Evans, Anderson dll
Pemain yang sedang memasuki /melewati puncak permainan
Berbatov, Carrick, Park, Evra, Rio, Oshea, Owen, Brown dll
Pemain yang udah melewati puncak permainan but still masters of their game
VDS, Scholes, Giggs, Gary..
saya rasa siklus ini akan tetap sama 1-2 tahun kedepan, ketika VDS cs gantung sepatu generasi Rafael cs siap naik dan pos pemain muda akan diisi talenta lain dari academy or reserve...United tetap dengan skuad 4 kategori umur
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Yg terpenting pemain inti yg msh berumur range 23-28 tahun stay rasanya ga akan jd masalah, fondasi akan solid dengan regenerasi yg sdh dibangun SAF saat ini. Terlihat skrg SAF lbh mengutamakan pembelian pemain dibawah 25 tahun dan juga memberikan kesempatan lebih untuk pemain muda didikan academy. Gw yakiin the future is great, dan pemain seperti Rooney, Fletcher, Evra dan bahkan Evans akan siap untuk memimpin para youngster saat ini nantinya.
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Wow..bahasan yang mantaph nieh...menurut saya ga perlu khawati mengenai jenjang umur,quota dan sebagainya...United menurut saya sudah memikirkan dan menginvestasikannya...Mengenai homeground player UNITED juga banyak yg belum terekspos dari academy, masih ada joshua king,magnus eikrem(bener ga nulisnya),catchart(bener ga nulisnya)..hehehe...kepemimpinan,ga usah diragukan lagi dalam hal ini,fletcher ma rooney siap untu meneruskan tongkat estafet itu...demikian juga dengan pemain muda selanjutnya..
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dengan adanya regulasi BPL baru mism depan, dipastikan nih Fergie ga bakal beli pemain lagi..kuota pemain home grown player jg udh memenuhi klub.

Pernah dibahas nih sekedar mengingatkan :
Nah coba tak rangkum, dr quotenya Scudamore punya dua arti :
Dari 25 pemain tidak boleh lebih dari 17 orang yang lebih dari 21 tahun.
Dari 25 pemain tidak boleh lebih dari 17 orang yang bukan HG...
so, 8 orang harus Home Grown Player dan umurnya harus dibawah 21 thn.

Bener nggak om?

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Kan pemaen yang <21 tahun awal tahun ini nggak perlu masuk kuota 25 pemaen, jadi pemaen2 seperti Smalling, Chicharito, Rafael dan fabio, termasuk cleverley dan beberapa lain nggak perlu masuk kuota.
Maksudnya om?artinya mereka ngga perlu dimasukin ke skuad musim depan atau gimana yah? hehe, maklum, masih bingung
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