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mohon maaf kalau repost...bisa di merged...
ini gua buat berhubung masih geli nginget pool fans ngaitkan penampilan Rooney yang jeblok pas bela Inggris...


"D'ya know what, I've never really backed England in anything, I've gotta be honest. Now, if it was a Republic of Mancunia team.." - Ian Brown ahead of the 2010 World Cup

It's hard to say when the rivalry between Manchester United and England fans started, although it certainly pre-dated United's recent success and, without doubt, has grown more ferocious since 1994 to the point where England fans refuse to honour a minute's silence for those that died at Munich, including 5 England greats.

Whilst the anti-England songs definitely get a more passionate airing against small time clubs, who easily get wound up by them, there's virtually never a game to go by without one chant directed towards the national team.
For many non-Mancunians, it's puzzling as to why such a rivalry exists, especially as more England caps have been given to players from United than any other club. You could write a whole book about the two-way hatred, however the most obvious examples include the whole of Wembley Stadium singing "Stand-Up If You Hate Man U' on regular occasions, despite England's best players being United stars. This song was sang louder than ever when England played at Old Trafford and, worse still, in 2001, when seven reds played in the same England team against Albania. The singing didn't stop even after both Scholesy and Andy Cole scored.

Even those Little Inger-lund-ers who, after booing the opponent's national anthem, worship the likes of Rooney and Beckham when playing in white, are the first to abuse them passionately when they wear the red of United. Beckham even received death threats from England supporters after being sent off against Argentina, whilst United fans stood by him. Likewise, Cristiano Ronaldo, who twice broke English hearts to the delight of non-patriotic reds, received a similar fate.

United fans could never really support the likes of Alan Shearer, Robbie Fowler or Steven Gerrard, whilst Stevie Coppell (Nov'81) and Neil Webb (Sep'89) both had their United careers cut short through injury whilst on national duty. Then of course there was Captain Marvel, Bryan Robson, who seemed to pick up a major injury every time he played for England.
England managers helped give United fans a laugh, Darren Anderton was preferred to David Beckham in the 1998 World Cup, Emile Heskey to Andy Cole and perhaps most amazingly, one of United's greatest ever players, Steve Bruce, never received a single England call up! Maybe that explains why United fans have never really been patrioc, although many people point simply to the Manc attitude, the chip on the shoulder, the cocky Ian Brown / Tim Burgess swagger.

Maybe as a result, European away trips are usually a far cry from those endured by Ing-er-lund's often racist, jingoistic hooligans (often wrapped in their Stoke, Leeds, Millwall, West Ham, Bolton, Stockport or Man City flags). European Cup ties drawing United with German opposition normally receive equally jingoistic headlines from the British tabloid press, without actually reflecting the truth that United fans and those of Bayern, Dortmund and Stuttgart actually get on fine and have shared some fantastic Oktoberfest drinking & singing love-ins prior to previous games.
Chants of 'Argentina!' long preceded Juan Veron's signing, 'We Are Manchester - Not England' flags traveled across Europe with the red army well before 1999, and 'The Republic Of Mancunia' was born many years before a banner in the Stretford End declared so. That famous United fan, Ian Brown, once sang, "There are no lions in England". That's certainly true in the red parts of Manchester!

"Phil and I went straight out to have a look at the Wembley pitch and were greeted by a chorus of 'Stand Up If You Hate Man U'. We've had this abuse before playing for England, but over the last year it's got worse!" - Gary Neville in 1998

"World Champions twice!
World Champions tw-iiice!
Once more than England,
World Champions twice!"


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Old 09-03-2011, 07:45 AM   #2
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United di hatiku, England ke laut ajeeee.........
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United di hatiku, England ke laut ajeeee.........
Ah massssaaaa?? Klo United di hati, Barca di mana dwonksss??


Bang @Ucup_Carrick nice thread.. Pasti gr2 eneg liat kelakuan pemain pool di match kmrn yah hahahahahaha
Gw udah ilfil buat dukung timnas inggris, satu2nya timnas yg gw dukung Indonesia, klo yg lain buat seseruan aja
Males bgt liat kapten timnas inggris, trs itu beknya yg tk jagal beugh jd kangen keano, minta dia patahin kaki si carra..
Trs males kudu liat si walcott, wilshire iihh amit2 yah
*msh emosi gw ma mereka*
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waah kemaren sempet mantau nih dari twit nya bang ucup..
sekarang ada di forum
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ohh~ kayanya liat dari yang nge-RT di twitter
hmmm.. waduh~ iya juga sih
banyak yang masih kesel yah *guwe juga* ama yg kmarenan
*padahal gapernah benci ama liverpool/scousers/merseyside sebelumnya*

stuju ama sist divi,bela timnas aja mendingan XDDD
lagian guwe emang gak support timnas inggris loh baik di worldcup/EURO
*brazil donk brazil!!* tapi kecintaan kepada united ampe ngelebihin timnas
*warga negara yang gak baek* bahkan ngelebihin brazil, wkwkwk..
win lose or draw still ♥ UNITED!!

jadi kalo ada statement UNITED > england
I (AGREE)/(DISAGREE)
hehe..
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No Wonder...
jd juara dunia jg tanpa 1 gol pun...
lucu aj klo alesan ngefans england krn ada pemain united disitu...
cukup dukung pemainnya aj gk usah timnya...
empet liat rooney dijadiin kambing hitam pas WC tahun lalu...
padahal midfieldernya aj pelit bgt suply bola k dy, gmn mau scored...
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Bukan...cuma sinis aja ama fan sini terutama pool yg nganggap united=england ....
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hummm buat gw sih United lebih besar dr negara apapun jg kecuali Indonesia...

Gw pun bela negara tertentu saat WC atau euro jg krn seru2an aja,aplg ada pemain Unitednya...

Krn buat gw sudah beda lah konteksnya antara negara dengan klub... Tapi bila menghujat pemain united saat berbaju timnas, nah itu lain lagi masalahnya..

Krn mw dia pake baju apa jg,selama dia pemain United,maka akan lebih bijak jika tidak menghujatnya..

Tapi ini pendapat pribadi nubi yg sok tau sih :-)

No offense buat siapapun juga :-)
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makanya...di twit akhir gw bikin kesimpulan...
kalo mau dukung timnas...jangan liat darimana pemain itu berasal...
dukunglah sebagai prajurit negara...

ibarat pendukung the jak misalnya...
kalo timnas disana ada pemain persib...ya didukung sebagai pemain timnas...
kalo gak jangan salahkan ada separatis nanti....
gitu kira2....
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setujulah ama semuanya no offense no hard feeling emang
beda konteks donk kalo pemaen suatu klub lagi on duty bela timnas
tega banget yang bilang UNITED = england
ntar persija = indonesia gaswat >w<

guwe sih nonton timnas yang ada pemaen UNITED cuma buat isenk-isenk aja..kalo ngedukung mah tetep brazil, ekekekek~ mau jelek mau bagus gak usah dicela-lah~ kasian amat udah susye susye berjuang,dibilang jelek,kalah,masih dicela pula

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hummm buat gw sih United lebih besar dr negara apapun jg kecuali Indonesia...

Gw pun bela negara tertentu saat WC atau euro jg krn seru2an aja,aplg ada pemain Unitednya...

Krn buat gw sudah beda lah konteksnya antara negara dengan klub... Tapi bila menghujat pemain united saat berbaju timnas, nah itu lain lagi masalahnya..

Krn mw dia pake baju apa jg,selama dia pemain United,maka akan lebih bijak jika tidak menghujatnya..

Tapi ini pendapat pribadi nubi yg sok tau sih :-)

No offense buat siapapun juga :-)
masi mending pendapat nubie
nah guwe mah pendapat cewe labil

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makanya...di twit akhir gw bikin kesimpulan...
kalo mau dukung timnas...jangan liat darimana pemain itu berasal...
dukunglah sebagai prajurit negara...

ibarat pendukung the jak misalnya...
kalo timnas disana ada pemain persib...ya didukung sebagai pemain timnas...
kalo gak jangan salahkan ada separatis nanti....
gitu kira2....
setuju boss!
fansnya pool mah diajak santai ajalah~
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