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Old 24-01-2014, 05:50 PM   #11
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Oke, BTT... udah selesai goyangnya...

Klo katanya sih sejak dari Everton Moyes dah nerapin sistem latihan yang keras. Di awal musim hampir nggak ada yang mampir ke ruang medis dulu alias hampir pasti ada yang cedera.

Di United? Banyak kok yg emang rentan cedera. Ada Evans, Da Silva berdua, Rio, Carrick, Young, Nani udah langganan cedera. Klo RvP, srjak dari Arsenal dah rentan cedera tapi musim lalu Fergie berhasil bikin dia bebas cedera hanya sayangnya musim ini jadi cedera mulu. Jadi yang salah Moyes...
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Old 24-01-2014, 05:55 PM   #12
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Wkwkwkwk... ayo goyang pokoke Moyes...

ladyarse.co.uk/2012/07/robin-van-persies-full-arsenal-injury-record/

Ada lagi tuh... nggak hanya jumlah cedera aja, ada sedikit tambahan penjelasan trus ada juga sebutan ‘glass ankles.’ dari fans belanda buat dia.

Yang pasti kita lihat pake corong ke United, isinya cuma Moyes. Wkwkwk...

Lanjut goyang... Goyang pokoke Moyes.
Data yang baru gak bisa dilihat bang. Ane kan bicara berdasarkan data dari ente?



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Oke, BTT... udah selesai goyangnya...

Klo katanya sih sejak dari Everton Moyes dah nerapin sistem latihan yang keras. Di awal musim hampir nggak ada yang mampir ke ruang medis dulu alias hampir pasti ada yang cedera.

Di United? Banyak kok yg emang rentan cedera. Ada Evans, Da Silva berdua, Rio, Carrick, Young, Nani udah langganan cedera. Klo RvP, srjak dari Arsenal dah rentan cedera tapi musim lalu Fergie berhasil bikin dia bebas cedera hanya sayangnya musim ini jadi cedera mulu. Jadi yang salah Moyes...
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Old 24-01-2014, 05:57 PM   #13
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Data yang baru gak bisa dilihat bang. Ane kan bicara berdasarkan data dari ente?

Wkwkwk... gampang sih klo cuma cara lihatnya gitu. Fergie > Wenger = Moyes. Benerkan.. berarti Moyes secerdas Wenger,wkwkwk...
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Wkwkwk... gampang sih klo cuma cara lihatnya gitu. Fergie > Wenger = Moyes. Benerkan.. berarti Moyes secerdas Wenger,wkwkwk...
Klo dari koleksi gelar harusnya begini susunannya bang Fergie > Wenger > Moyes = Malky Mackay = Tony Pulis = G. Poyet = Paul Ince
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Wkwkwk... yuks goyang lagi. pokoke moyes....

Oh ya, nggak asik ah klo yg dilihat mereka. Coba klo Moyes sebelum di United = Conte sebelum di Juve = Guardiola sebelum di Barca = Klopp sebelum di Dortmund.


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Old 24-01-2014, 06:46 PM   #16
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berarti ada 6 orang yg sering cedera, gimana dgn pemain laen??
yg sering cedera itu jg kayanya yg paling sering jd tumpuan permainan everton kayanya ya..

ane sih agak ga terlalu percaya klo porsi latihan di bawah moyes itu "killer", sebelum ini pun di era fergie juga badai cedera datang silih berganti soalnya, jadi ga bisa dijustifikasi jg klo cedera nya pemain united saat ini karena drill gayanya moyes...
Wahh capek gan mau klik 1 demi 1

Badai cedera jaman Fergie ada gak yang sama seperti jaman Moyes saat ini?

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Klo katanya sih sejak dari Everton Moyes dah nerapin sistem latihan yang keras. Di awal musim hampir nggak ada yang mampir ke ruang medis dulu alias hampir pasti ada yang cedera.

Di United? Banyak kok yg emang rentan cedera. Ada Evans, Da Silva berdua, Rio, Carrick, Young, Nani udah langganan cedera. Klo RvP, srjak dari Arsenal dah rentan cedera tapi musim lalu Fergie berhasil bikin dia bebas cedera hanya sayangnya musim ini jadi cedera mulu. Jadi yang salah Moyes...
Awal musim waktu tour Rooney cedera kan dari harus pulang dari Thailand ke Inggris utk penyembuhan?

Benar, tapi kalau history cederanya jadi bertambah seperti di postingan sebelum terbukti ada yang salah dengan pola latihan Moyes. Kalau begini tinggal tunggu aja daftar pesakitan berikutnya sebelum ada yang sembuh.
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Old 24-01-2014, 07:20 PM   #17
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Wkwkwk... yuks goyang lagi. pokoke moyes....

Oh ya, nggak asik ah klo yg dilihat mereka. Coba klo Moyes sebelum di United = Conte sebelum di Juve = Guardiola sebelum di Barca = Klopp sebelum di Dortmund.

Nah ini yang ane tunggu2. Klopp adalah salah satu contoh manajer yang sebelum menangani Dortmund nyaris tidak memiliki prestasi apapun. Klo ini dijadikan pembanding dengan Moyes ane setuju. Malah klub yang dibawa Klopp pernah terdegradasi waktu dipegang olehnya.

Tapi pertanyaannya bisa tidak Moyes seperti Klopp? Ane gak bisa menjawab, yang bisa menjawab hanya prestasi Moyes di United.



















NB: Sori bang Troy jadi gak nyambung ama judul tritnya.
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Old 24-01-2014, 11:07 PM   #18
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Setuju. Dan gw pun baru tau kalo cedera Van Persie ternyata jauh lebih banyak waktu ditanganin Moyes. Mungkin ada yg bisa ngasih data riwayat cedera pemain everton selama ditangani moyes?

Gw rasa revolusi besar2an di klub oleh Moyes jd slh satu faktor rentannya pemain cidera di United skrg. Mungkin kalo Strudwick keluar bakal lebih parah kali ya. Moyes dr dulu emang terkenal metodenya masih jadul dan terlalu intens.

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It wasn’t just the intensity that surprised some of them, but also the fact that their new boss was always in attendance, whistle in mouth.
Disisi lain, dr yg mata gw liat di tipi, United di jaman moyes, bisa mendominasi permainan lebih banyak dibandingin jaman Fergie di bbrpa musim terakhirnya. troy dulu pernah posting gambar HIGH TEMPO THAT UPSET ARSENAL dan beberap pertandingan sebelumnya bahkan setelah rooney rvp absen, dominasi permainan kita lebih baik dr waktu ditangani Fergie, selama 90 menit. Rooney, terlepas dr posisinya yg kembali ke nomer 10, jg jauh lebih fit sejak ditangani Moyes, sebelum akhirnya cidera jg

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Wayne Rooney, it later emerged, ran 11km (about 6.5 miles) during the 90 minutes, the type of figure you would normally associate with a central midfielder, as United managed to stifle the threat of Arsenal’s most dangerous players.
Gw penasaran spt apa gambaran di atas lapangan metode latian yg dipake Moyes, dan gw harap ada pembanding scr spesifik dgn metode latian klub lain. Yang pasti, disatu sisi gw rasa metode Moyes mampu ningkatin kekuatan scr fisik dr pemain, termasuk untuk bermain scr lebih intens dilapangan. Namun disisi lain, entah memang karena posisi yg salah diatas lapangan ditambah otot yg 'kelelahan' membuat Persie dan Rooney kembali cidera.
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Pointnya paparin dulu pola latihannya baru di bahas itu salah atau tidak lalu apakah itu yg menyebabkan daftar cidera bertambah
Ada pengaruhnya apa enggak antara pola latihan sama cidera pemain, atau emang jadwal yg padat, atau hal2 lain di luar teknis yg mempengaruhi
klo cuma liat dari histtory cidera apanya yg mw diperdebatkan
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Pointnya paparin dulu pola latihannya baru di bahas itu salah atau tidak lalu apakah itu yg menyebabkan daftar cidera bertambah
Ada pengaruhnya apa enggak antara pola latihan sama cidera pemain, atau emang jadwal yg padat, atau hal2 lain di luar teknis yg mempengaruhi
klo cuma liat dari histtory cidera apanya yg mw diperdebatkan
Banyak kok yg bilang klo tipe latihan Moyes lebih ke fisik. Karena itu orang belanda lupa namanya bilang klo gaya latihan Moyes kuno. Dari pas di Everton udah gitu. Awal musim banyak cedera tapi bertahap sampe akhir musim fisik prima.

Jadi menurutku klo ditanya pola latihan Moyes penyebab cedera? Iya, mungkin lebih keras. Tapi pemaen2 rawan cedera United udah ada sejak jaman Fergie.
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