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ji-sung juga dari asia..

apa lebih karena moyes nya ga suka pemain asia???
pemain everton dulu ada yg pernah dimanajeri moyes dan dari asia ga sih??
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apa lebih karena moyes nya ga suka pemain asia???
pemain everton dulu ada yg pernah dimanajeri moyes dan dari asia ga sih??
Udah rahasia Umum kalo pemain Asia underrated kalo PL apalagi soal physical presence dimana liga Inggris terkenal dengan adu fisik dan body charge, makanya Kagawa lebih banyak minute play nya di CL ketimbang PL
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kurang logis. Everton pernah punya Li Tie, anyway. Saya lupa atau bahkan belum pernah melihat performa beliau jadi no comment soal permainan. Yang jelas Li Tie awalnya dipinjem dari klub China kemudian dapat kepercayaan Moyes untuk tampil di 29 pertandingan Everton musim itu. Jadi pilihan utama sebagai defensive midfield. Musim selanjutnya Moyes tertarik utk merekrut dan berhasil mendapatkan jasanya dari musim 2002-2006. Namun cedera memaksa Li tidak menutup karirnya di Everton dengan gemilang. Itulah kenapa jawaban bung saya bilang tidak logis.

Saya punya alasan logis soal Kagawa di tred Kagawa. Namun cuma kenapa Kagawa tidak sering diturunkan menjadi AMC. Soal kenapa dia tidak jadi AML/ML saya belum tahu. Yang jelas Kagawa 11 v 10 Young. Ga terlalu jauh sebenarnya 2 pemain ini diturunkan sebagai starter. Hanya Young turun sebagai cadangan lebih banyak daripada Kagawa (Young 10 v 4 Kagawa) di semua liga.

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bukan ane om troy

bagi saya meski RvP dilepas pun nanti belum memastikan posisi Kagawa akan aman sebagai "classic number 10". Hal ini dikarenakan tipikal pemain berusia 24 tahun ini sangatlah berbeda dengan filosofi sepakbola Moyes. Moyes kerap mengisi posisi ini dengan pemain yang tidak kreatif layaknya Kagawa atau yg lain.

Tengok saja kartu As Moyes di Everton, Tim Cahill. Pelatih yang pernah berkelahi sama pemainnya ini mempunyai pakem formasi 4-4-1-1 dan turunannya 4-4-2.



Pemain yang berposisi sebagai nomor 10 bukanlah seorang fantasista, tidak kreatif, namun pemain ini mempunyai atribut tackling, stamina, strength, duel udara yang menonjol. Pemain ini mempunyai 2 fungsi, AM & DM sehingga dengan mudah Moyes akan merubah formasi tadi seperti ini.



Cahill memerankan fungsi ini dengan baik. Dia punya kemampuan menjadi pemain tengah yang bagus, bisa turun dengan cepat ke belakang, tackle yg bagus, marking & blocking juga cukup bagus. Cahill juga menjalankan fungsi menyerangnya dengan sangat baik. Terutama dengan kepalanya & sering jadi target set piece Everton. Dari 57 gol Cahill di Everton, 31 diantaranya menggunakan kepalanya. Cukup tinggi di EPL, nomor tiga kalo ga salah di bawah Duncan Ferguson, Dion Dublin.

Regenarasi Cahill adalah Fellaini. Skill & tipe berbeda namun kemampuan dasarnya sama. strength, duel udara & bertahan yg kuat. Fellaini saat dipasang jadi striker lubang berhasil cetak 11 gol, top skor Everton, semusim setelah Cahill cabut. Tapi kemudian Fellaini musim berikutnya ditarik lebih ke belakang.

Itulah kenapa titik berat serangan Moyes (Everton) lebih ke sayap. Dengan menggunakan pemain no. 10 yang kreatif, sebenarnya Moyes akan mampu menciptakan banyak peluang lewat tengah. Tapi dia tidak punya opsi untuk mengubah formasi menjadi 4-5-1 karena pada dasarnya Moyes lebih defensive minded. Jadi orang yang cocok dengan posisi ini jelas Rooney. Namun sayang dia tidak punya kemampuan udara sebaik Cahill atau Fellaini. Akibatnya ya gitu, bombardir crossing tapi nihil yang tepat sasaran/dikonversi jadi shot on target. Kagawa tentu akan jadi opsi kesekian karena tipikalnya berbeda.
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Berharap shinji kagawa di maenin oleh moyes, talenta yang terabaikan.
tapi tanpa maupun dengan kagawa w selalu berharap manchester united dapet hasil positif lawan liverpool.
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Everton pernah punya Li Tie, anyway. Saya lupa atau bahkan belum pernah melihat performa beliau jadi no comment soal permainan. Yang jelas Li Tie awalnya dipinjem dari klub China kemudian dapat kepercayaan Moyes untuk tampil di 29 pertandingan Everton musim itu. Jadi pilihan utama sebagai defensive midfield. Musim selanjutnya Moyes tertarik utk merekrut dan berhasil mendapatkan jasanya dari musim 2002-2006. Namun cedera memaksa Li tidak menutup karirnya di Everton dengan gemilang. Itulah kenapa jawaban bung saya bilang tidak logis.
nah..ternyata moyes juga pernah pake jasa pemain dari asia kan???

pengen diskusi soal ini, tapi takut salah tempat..om mod ada yg bisa pindahin ke tempat yg bagus?? trims..
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United v Liverpool: Stuart Mathieson's starting XI

Our Reds reporter picks out the team he believes is best equipped to beat Brendan Rodgers' team when they come to Old Trafford on Sunday.

David Moyes is gradually removing the selection question marks over the personnel who will form the core of his new-look United side in the future.

On Sunday against Liverpool there could be another glimpse into the future. And it might be the choice that will define his future.

United fans have seen many of Sir Alex Ferguson’s 2013 Premier League title winners eased out of the picture since August.

The under-achieving Anderson was shipped out to Fiorentina on loan. Shinji Kagawa, Antonio Valencia, Ashley Young and Javier Hernandez have been reduced to peripheral figures who will all be fearing their Old Trafford careers are now on borrowed time.

Alex Buttner has not threatened Patrice Evra and Nani has been battling a hamstring injury since December. Both of those could well be summer departures.

Ryan Giggs and Rio Ferdinand have been used very sparingly and both will now be contemplating retirement.

In the last six weeks there has been a nucleus forming with David de Gea, Chris Smalling, Evra, Michael Carrick, Juan Mata, Wayne Rooney and Robin van Persie all starting the last six Premier League matches.

It was more than a hint last Saturday at the Hawthorns against West Brom that Moyes is discarding the old guard to ensure some of the younger element get a chance to prove themselves before a clear out in the summer to make way for potentially six new faces if all the items on his shopping list are available.

Nemanja Vidic’s omission from the starting XI against West Brom said it all. Having been photographed signing on the dotted line for Inter Milan for next term the captain was elbowed out at the Hawthorns and onto the bench.

Last month having announced he was leaving the Serb stayed in Moyes’ team but the Italian’s making his capture official effectively ended the chances of a regular berth in the final weeks of the season.

Moyes, who is chasing a new central defender anyway, gave Smalling and Phil Jones a rare chance to put down a marker as a possible central defensive partnership for years to come.

They now look like they’ll have the platform to show that an understanding can be forged and containing the potent attacking force of Luis Suarez and Daniel Sturridge on Sunday would be excellent evidence they could become the new Ferdinand-Vidic or Bruce-Pallister.

In midfield Marouane Fellaini had his best game for the Reds in an injury hit debut season. With a bonus under his belt it would not be wise to ask him to step down again against Liverpool. The Belgian needs to build on that mini platform he constructed at West Brom.

The main question now is will Moyes show is ruthless streak where Robin van Persie is concerned.

Four goals in seven matches since his return from a long time out with a thigh problem is plenty of proof for the Dutchman to offer as reason why he is happy at United and should remain in the side.

The conflicting side to the argument is some of his body language and stats when it comes to his on-field relationship with Rooney. The figures show it is anything but the perfect partnership.

Danny Welbeck came on and scored at the Hawthorns and re-struck up an understanding with his England colleague.

Can United afford to have the RVP situation potentially muddying the waters? He was clearly unhappy at getting the shepherd’s crook early on Saturday and this is now a time that Moyes needs unity and players on board his bus as he plans for a the end of season and the pathway to a better future.

What he does with RVP on Sunday will be telling. The striker scored at both Anfield and Old Trafford last season on his way to becoming the Golden Boot winner. But it is a different Van Persie we are now seeing and Sunday’s choice will show whether Moyes and United do see his Reds career extending beyond two campaigns.

UNITED: De Gea; Rafael, Smalling, Jones, Evra; Mata, Carrick, Fellaini, Januzaj; Rooney, Welbeck.



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Liverpool are favourites to beat United at Old Trafford, claims legend Fowler

Liverpool legend Robbie Fowler admits that he is shocked by Manchester United’s dramatic decline under David Moyes and claims that his old club are favourites to win at Old Trafford on Sunday.

Liverpool have lost on their last six trips down the East Lancs Road but will arrive there this weekend 11 points clear of United as they chase a first title in 24 years.

Fowler believes that Brendan Rodgers deserves great credit for Liverpool’s revival, but is surprised at just how quickly United have fallen from grace under Moyes.

He said: ‘It’s always a massive game but the difference this time is that Liverpool must be favourites.

‘I can’t remember the last time a Liverpool team went to Old Trafford in that position. On paper it’s a game Liverpool should win. They’re in great form and I am quietly confident Liverpool can get a big result there.

‘It was always going to be hard for Moyes to replace Ferguson after everything he achieved but I think is everyone surprised with where United are in the table. It’s basically the same team who walked away with the title last season, plus Marouane Fellaini and Juan Mata.

‘People talk about how far United have dropped but I also look at it from the other side – how far Liverpool have come. That’s testament to what Brendan has achieved so far.

‘He has got the team playing so well and I think teams are starting to fear Liverpool again. The manager deserves a lot of credit for that.’


Anfield legend: Fowler believes Liverpool are favourites going into the match at Old Trafford

United have lost four times in the Premier League at Old Trafford this season – a scenario that was almost unthinkable under Sir Alex Ferguson – while Liverpool’s record of seven wins and two draws in 2014 has propelled Rodgers’s side into second place.

Fowler added: ‘A few teams have gone to Old Trafford and got results this season. It has lost that fear factor.

‘United had it for a number of years. Teams went there knowing they would be on the back foot and almost expecting to lose. That’s not happening anymore.

‘Now teams are actually pushing on looking to win there rather than sitting back hoping to nick a point.


Enemy: Fowler also had a spell later in his career for Manchester City

‘When Liverpool play Everton everyone says the formbook goes out of the window and to a certain degree, I’d say the same goes for Liverpool Man United games.

‘Forget the season they’re having, United will certainly up their game for the visit of Liverpool. Brendan and the players need to be ready for that.

‘Can Liverpool win the title? Of course they can because they are so close to the top with only 10 games to go but I wouldn’t say I’m confident.

‘Hopefully they can keep surprising people. Confidence is high and if Liverpool do beat United more and more people will be talking about Liverpool as possible champions.’

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Why Wayne Rooney Is Key to Manchester United Beating Liverpool



There are as many theories as to what has gone wrong for Manchester United this season as there have been home defeats and another one emerged in the press-conference Roy Hodgson gave after England's 1-0 friendly victory over Denmark.

Having spoken about the pace and energy of his young players and the need to get them running in behind defenders, the England manager complained of the "ponderousness" of the first-half display.

Given how often Wayne Rooney had lumbered into decent positions and then blootered the ball over the bar, it was possible in context to wonder if he was expressing an irritation with the Manchester United forward.

Then a couple of minutes later, Hodgson was far more explicit, speaking of the lack of pace in the game "in the half that Rooney played."

Hodgson has a habit of talking himself into trouble, of vowing not to broach a topic before finding his tongue has got away from him and he has discussed it after all: the explanation here seemed to be that he was troubled by the lack of urgency while Rooney was on the pitch and that his puzzlement leaked out, presumably unintentionally.

It may not even be that he blamed Rooney for it, for when Rooney had been on the pitch, England had played an asymmetric 4-3-3 in which Daniel Sturridge and Rooney had taken it in turns to operate as the central striker, a sharing of roles in which neither seemed comfortable.

The comment could very easily have been part of Hodgson's thinking on whether the shape needed shifting so Rooney played deeper.

But it did raise the thought that perhaps there was a ponderousness about Rooney more generally these days and that in that might lie some of the explanation for Manchester United's struggles. These things, of course, are never simple: does Rooney's form destabilise United or does United's form destabilise Rooney, or—more likely—is it both?

Rooney's performance against West Bromwich Albion on Saturday was good enough to suggest the fundamental problem does not lie with him. He scored one and made one and at times seemed to be dragging United forward single-handed.

If there is an issue, it's his relationship with Robin van Persie, which is pretty much non-existent. They are two very good players who play up front at the same time, but they are not a partnership, very rarely linking up.

When Van Persie made his complaint after the defeat away to Olympiakos about other players running in his zones, it was pretty clear it was Rooney he was thinking about primarily.

If United are to beat Liverpool on Sunday, though, it's Rooney who is most likely to be the inspiration and his battle with his England captain Steven Gerrard will be key.

Gerrard is still far from the finished product as a holding midfielder—although he has improved a lot in the deep role this season—and may struggle to contain Rooney, but then Rooney also has a defensive job to do: it's been notable that when Liverpool have been at their best this season, as in that first 20 minutes at home to Arsenal, Gerrard has had freedom to dictate the play from deep.

Rooney is one of the best defensive forwards in the game. It's a part of the game he seems to enjoy less and less, but the stats show he has been doing it this season.

To be at his most effective Rooney needs not to stop Gerrard as well as offering a creative threat.

Whether he performs his defensive functions is largely down to him, but to be creative he needs service and players making runs off him—the absence of which has been one of United's problems this season as the emphasis on crosses has increased.

Rooney cannot beat Liverpool single-handed, but if they are to triumph, he will probably have played a key role.

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