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Old 29-02-2016, 12:13 AM   #81
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Awal kapan Om? Awal Februari?

Nama Rasford cuma muncul sekali pas bula Desember dan saat ini. Alasannya? Karena Rooney, Martial, Wilson dan Keane tidak ada.

tp buat LVG dr awal kedalaman striker MU ada di Roo, Martial n Rashford

Ini mah muncul karena 2 pertandingan ini. Dari bulan Juli - Januari tidak sekalipun disebut bahkan oleh Van Gaal. Jangan2 ente pun nggak tau klo United punya pemain namanya Rashford.

Tapi ya... berkah buat pemain muda. Setuju lah mereka dapat kepercayaan. Mo ngapain lagi klo nggak mau percaya ke mereka.

Oh ya... bagaimana dengan catatan cedera pemain LVG Om? Metode latihannya pre-historic atau lebih parah? Ini fakta yg terkaburkan oleh munculnya pemain muda.
Klo krn gk tahu lg siapa yg mau dimainkan, kok bs langsung nyetel ya?

Pasti ente jawab pemain senior sering maen di u21 n reserve. Tp pertanyaan ane kpn lvg latih tim u21 n reserve? Krn di dua pertandingan youngster2 ini sudah nyatu sm taktiknya tim inti. Dr cr tackling, cara passing sampe backpass n crossing gk ada beda cara antara pemain inti dgn pemain dadakan.

Mereka bs terjemahin taktik lvg dlm hitungan hari. Utk rashford. Roo cedera tengah bulan kmrn, klo pake teori dadakan ente, rashford berarti belajar taktik LVG hnya kurang dr 2 mgg dn lgs klop.

Harusnya dr cara mereka main di lapangan udh bs dianalisa mereka sdh berbulan2 berlatih dgn tim utama.

Pelatih yg nyiapin tim besar utk hadapi 4 kompetisi jelas dia gk pnya rencana apa2 buat youngster kecuali kepepet n hasilnya klo gk youngsternya gugup di lapangan youngsternya bingung2 ama taktik bermain tim inti. Pelatih yg nyiapun tim kecil utk 4 kompetisi jelas dia pnya rencana utk memberi kepercayaan pd youngster sewaktu2. Klo yg kita liat dua pertandingan terakhir youngster yg emang disiapkn dlm rencana baik secara mental n penerapan taktik di lapangan jelas lebih bagus.

Soal badai cedera: kompetisi musim ini keras dn berat. Manusia jg pnya batas bung. Monggo dicek, selain shaw yg emang horor bgt cederanya, badai cedera MU itu dimulai dr sejak januari, stlh menghadapi masa padat di bulan desember yg nyaris tanpa istirahat. Sblm desember tolong dicek brp pemain yg masuk ruang perawatan utk waktu yg lama? Apakah sebanyak stlh periode desember? Oh iya khusus schweni, ini pemain dr jaman di bayern emang langganan cedera loh ya.

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Klo krn gk tahu lg siapa yg mau dimainkan, kok bs langsung nyetel ya?

Pasti ente jawab pemain senior sering maen di u21 n reserve. Tp pertanyaan ane kpn lvg latih tim u21 n reserve? Krn di dua pertandingan youngster2 ini sudah nyatu sm taktiknya tim inti. Dr cr tackling, cara passing sampe backpass n crossing gk ada beda cara antara pemain inti dgn pemain dadakan.

Mereka bs terjemahin taktik lvg dlm hitungan hari. Utk rashford. Roo cedera tengah bulan kmrn, klo pake teori dadakan ente, rashford berarti belajar taktik LVG hnya kurang dr 2 mgg dn lgs klop.

Harusnya dr cara mereka main di lapangan udh bs dianalisa mereka sdh berbulan berlatih dgn tim utama.
Bukannya aku udh pernah bilang klo sudah jamak pemain reserve di comot tim utama buat latihan? Ente pikir klo pas misalnya ada jeda pertandingan internasional tuh latihan klub bola libur? LVG liburan gitu? Ya tetep ada latihan. Biar skuat cukup buat latihan pasti LVG akan nyomot pemain dari reserve.

Hal ini sih udh biasa dan dilakukan semua klub terutama yg pemainnya banyak dipanggil timnas. Lebih2 pas badai cedera gini. Pastinya LVG bakal ngambil banyak pemain dr reserve.

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Soal badai cedera: kompetisi musim ini keras dn berat. Manusia jg pnya batas bung. Monggo dicek, selain shaw yg emang horor bgt cederanya, badai cedera MU itu dimulai dr sejak januari, stlh menghadapi masa padat di bulan desember yg nyaris tanpa istirahat. Sblm desember tolong dicek brp pemain yg masuk ruang perawatan utk waktu yg lama? Apakah sebanyak stlh periode desember? Oh iya khusus schweni, ini pemain dr jaman di bayern emang langganan cedera loh ya.
Nah... ini alasanku bilang 50:50 LVG percaya dengan pemain muda. Sampai dengan pemainnya cedera tidak ada satupun pemain muda yg dipakai. Semua pemain senior diperas habis tenaganya dan baru setelah cedera pemain muda dipakai.

Smalling, Martial, Rooney contoh korban kebijakan Van Gaal. Mereka bener2 diforsir mainnya hingga cedera. Blom pemain lainnya.

Dulu pas pertandingan FA United dapat lawan relatif ringan. Harapanku sih Van Gaal bisa merotasi pemainnya dan mencoba pemain muda. Kenyataannya skuat inti yg itu2 aja yg main. Ini bukti klo Van Gaal nggak segitunya percaya pemain muda.

Kini dibilang Van Gaal percaya pemain muda? Pas udh tumbang semua krn kebijakan Van Gaal baru dah dipakai. Yg terlihat sih "Van Gaal percaya pemain muda" tapi klo aku bilang sih manajemen pemain Van Gaal yang jelek. Saat ini bukan Van Gaal percaya dengan pemain muda tapi mau nggak mau percaya dengan pemain muda.

Tapi ya kredit buat pemain muda United. Nggak grogi pas diturunkan Van Gaal. Ijo-nya mereka sepertinya berefek semangat dan bukan grogi.
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Martial bukannya dibeli saat akhir2 masa transfer ya? Nggak dari awal di united


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Klo kalah out klo menang di pending dl.

Varela udh berumur 22 th (23 tahun bulan depan). Masih masuk usia muda kah? Untung aja dia nggak dilepas Januari kemarin. Cedera membawa berkah buat dia. Layak buat main lagi lawan Watford meski Vale udh sembuh.

Rojo cedera lagi. Siapa lagi stok LB yang ada. Baik Riley maupun Fosu-Mensah tampak nggak nyaman main disana krn mereka bukan kidal.
Yap..bagi saya sih Varela masih masuk kategori usia muda, sekalipun bentar lagi masuk usia 23 tahun.
Memang beruntung nih United dan juga Varela, berkah di balik badai cedera. Seolah-olah Varela mau nunjukin ke LvG kalo dia ga kalah bagus juga dibanding Darmian, Young, McNair ataupun Valencia yang pernah ditempatkan di bek kanan.

Betul Om Ded, saya adalah salah satu yang sepakat LvG Out. Alasannya sangat jelas. Kita sudah tau sama taulah alasannya. Di antaranya ga ada perubahan yang signifikan dari permainan MU. Sudah lebih dari satu setengah musim pegang United, dengan menghabiskan dana transfer ratusan juta pound, hasilnya?? Ya kita tau sama tau juga.

3 match terakhir United membuat dilema memang. Di satu sisi ingin LvG out karena alasan di atas, di sisi lain ingin melihat racikan LvG lebih jauh lagi terhadap para pemain muda dari akademinya United, walaupun kecenderungan seperti kata Om di postingan-postingan sebelumnya, mereka dimainkan karena sudah ga ada pemain senior/pemain inti yang bisa dimainkan lagi.

Saya ga bisa menutup kebohongan, bahwa sekarang Liga Inggris menuntut yang instan. Kalo bisa langsung Juara (kira-kira begitulah yang diharapkan para fans klub sepakbola seperti saya ini)
Sudah jarang ditemukan di tim papan atas (baca : tim papan atas), memainkan para pemain mudanya/pemain akademinya untuk bersaing di perebutan juara.
Sekarang ada kesempatan (mungkin kesempatan yang terpaksa) para pemain mudanya United diorbitkan oleh LvG. Mungkin kesempatan yang terpaksa ini bisa jadi andalannya United ke depannya.

Saya sih bukan tipe menang pending dulu outnya si LvG, terus pas kalah LvG out sesegera mungkin.
Waktu United ngalahin liverpool 1-0 di anfield beberapa waktu yang lalu, saya sejujurnya ingin LvG out setelah match itu.
Ga ada enaknya ngeliat maennya United di anfield waktu itu.

Memang dilema, apalagi rumor Mou ke United udah rada kencang nih, khawatir merusak konsentrasinya para pemain termasuk konsentrasinya LvG.

Anyway, Rojo cedera lagi, semoga Mensah atau Riley mendapatkan berkah positif sekalipun mereka bukan kidal.
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Bukannya aku udh pernah bilang klo sudah jamak pemain reserve di comot tim utama buat latihan? Ente pikir klo pas misalnya ada jeda pertandingan internasional tuh latihan klub bola libur? LVG liburan gitu? Ya tetep ada latihan. Biar skuat cukup buat latihan pasti LVG akan nyomot pemain dari reserve.

Hal ini sih udh biasa dan dilakukan semua klub terutama yg pemainnya banyak dipanggil timnas. Lebih2 pas badai cedera gini. Pastinya LVG bakal ngambil banyak pemain dr reserve.



Nah... ini alasanku bilang 50:50 LVG percaya dengan pemain muda. Sampai dengan pemainnya cedera tidak ada satupun pemain muda yg dipakai. Semua pemain senior diperas habis tenaganya dan baru setelah cedera pemain muda dipakai.

Smalling, Martial, Rooney contoh korban kebijakan Van Gaal. Mereka bener2 diforsir mainnya hingga cedera. Blom pemain lainnya.

Dulu pas pertandingan FA United dapat lawan relatif ringan. Harapanku sih Van Gaal bisa merotasi pemainnya dan mencoba pemain muda. Kenyataannya skuat inti yg itu2 aja yg main. Ini bukti klo Van Gaal nggak segitunya percaya pemain muda.

Kini dibilang Van Gaal percaya pemain muda? Pas udh tumbang semua krn kebijakan Van Gaal baru dah dipakai. Yg terlihat sih "Van Gaal percaya pemain muda" tapi klo aku bilang sih manajemen pemain Van Gaal yang jelek. Saat ini bukan Van Gaal percaya dengan pemain muda tapi mau nggak mau percaya dengan pemain muda.

Tapi ya kredit buat pemain muda United. Nggak grogi pas diturunkan Van Gaal. Ijo-nya mereka sepertinya berefek semangat dan bukan grogi.
Wah ente sptnya lupa dgn tekanan yg dialamatkn ke LVG dr bln desember kmrn. Gokil aja ada tim inti, dlm tekanan media n sebagian fans, trus nurunin tim muda. Tim yg senior aja konsentrasi terganggu apalagi dibebankan ke tim muda. Pemain muda klo diturunkan saat pemain inti lengkap n gk cedera pasti beban mereka lebih berat. Apalagi mereka muda2 begitu. N tim intinya jg bs tersinggung klo tiba2 dirotasi ama youngster. Ente bayangin lg dlm tekanan, roo n martial yg segar bugar tiba2 dirotasi sm rushford yg ada harmonisasi tim hancur. Khusus roo klo bkn lvg yg bela stgh mati gk mgkn bs bangkit di awal tahun. Trus saat roo lg dicaci maki sana sini tiba2 dirotasi ama rushford. Rusak timnya bung.

Apa yg dilakukan LVG sdh bener menurut ane. Manajemem tim jg ok. Termasuk pemilihan nurunin youngster jg sdh tepat. Klo ngikutin rotasi senior junior ala ente bung, tim ini hancur, yg tua mentalnya runtuh yg muda merasa sangat terbebani. Akhirnya yg tua berontak yg muda gk maen maksimal. Pemain senior bs nyerang pelatih.

Satu yg saya acungi jempol buat kebijakan lvg musim ini yg gk kyk kebiasaan pelatih lain nurunin youngster di piala carling atau fa disaat pemain inti segar bugar. Kenyataanya metode itu lebih bnyk gak menguntungkannya. Krn pemain muda yg diturynin di piala semacam carling n fa hanya merasa diri mereka pelengkap penderita. Di awal2 mereka yg berjuang, klo gagal mereka dianggap latihan klo berhasil n tembus final mereka gk bkln maen di final.

Dn sy percaya lvg memeras pemain intinya jg sdh mempertimbangkn resiko cedera. N dia gk takut itu krn dia sdh persiapkan n percaya ama pemain muda. Beda hal klo dia gk percaya utk jaga pemain inti gk cedera ya turunkan saja pemain2 muda di ajang yg enteng. Klo gini pemain muda tetep jd pelapis tp dgn kepercayaan yg bener2 minim. Meteka dipercaya melapis agar pemain inti gk kelelahan atau cedera. Tp klo yg skrg lvg terapkan pemain muda dipercaya di ajang yg sesungguhnya utk jd pengganti pemain inti yg cedera. Sama2 jd pelapis tim inti tp cara yg diterapkan lvg lebih membuat pemain muda merasa diri mereka sama pentingnya dgn tim senior.

Percaya atau tdknya LVG sm pemain muda bs dilihat dr mental mereka di lapangan. Klo mereka tenang, berarti mereka tahu mereka dipecaya penuh sm pelatih. Klo gugup berarti mereka tertekan utk tampil bagus supaya dpt kepercayaab pelatih. Klo di dua pertandingan terakhir gk ada tuh kesan yg muda2 overacting utk narik kepercayaan lvg, krn mereka tahu lvg dh percaya ama mereka.

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Manchester United 3 Arsenal 2

Marcus Rashford scored two goals and set up another as Manchester United secured a dramatic 3-2 victory over Barclays Premier League rivals Arsenal.

The young striker repeated his midweek debut heroics, firing United into a 2-0 lead with a double in three first-half minutes, but former Red Danny Welbeck pulled one back five minutes before the break.


Rashford was involved again with 25 minutes remaining, teeing up Ander Herrera to add a third, and Mezut Ozil's reply proved in vain for Arsene Wenger's side.


Ahead of the game, the Reds were boosted by the news of David De Gea's return to the starting line-up, in one of two changes from the side that beat Midtjylland on Thursday. Marcos Rojo was also named on the teamsheet, having come on as a late substitute against the Danish champions.


As expected, both sides were eager to make an early impression and came out of the traps quickly. The first chance was a significant one and fell at the feet of Nacho Monreal, who was found superbly by Ozil on six minutes but couldn't beat De Gea from close range.


The Reds had an appeal for a penalty turned down shortly after, as Rashford went past two defenders before going down under a challenge from Gabriel Paulista. Replays showed the fouled occurred outside the area, and Memphis forced Petr Cech into a good save from the resulting free-kick.


With chances few and far between, the game burst into life just before the half-hour mark. United broke forward in numbers and the ball found Guillermo Varela on the right; Arsenal failed to clear the youngster's first-time cross, and Rashford calmly fired the Reds into the lead.


The goal left the Gunners shaken, and Wenger's men were soon picking the ball out of their net again. The Reds attacked at pace once more, and another right-wing cross did the damage. Varela picked out Jesse Lingard, and the winger's pin-point delivery was met by Rashford, who headed beyond Cech to send Old Trafford into raptures.


Arsenal weren't going down easily, though, and fought back five minutes before the break. Again Ozil was the provider, whipping in a free-kick for Welbeck to easily nod home, and cap an entertaining half of football.


HALF-TIME STATISTICS
POSSESSION: United 45% Arsenal 55%
SHOTS (ON TARGET):United 4 (3) Arsenal 8 (2)
CORNERS: United 0 Arsenal 2


The second half began as the first had ended, with the visitors on the front foot. Having played a key role in October's reverse fixture, Alexis Sanchez was starting to grow into the game, and saw an effort well blocked by Rojo after darting along the 18-yard line.


The United defender was forced off shortly after following a 50-50 challenge with Welbeck, meaning 18-year-old Timothy Fosu-Mensah would make his first-team debut. The injury setback prompted Arsenal into a change of their own, with Olivier Giroud on for the final 30 minutes.


It was Louis van Gaal's side who continued to create the better chances, though, and the next opportunity provided United's third. Rashford picked up the ball in the Arsenal area and turned before teeing up Herrera, whose shot took a heavy deflection off Laurent Koscielny on its way in.


Memphis might have added a fourth after more excellent hold-up play by Rashford, but the Gunners again produced a quick response. Welbeck found space in the area and produced a superb save from De Gea, but Ozil was there to score from the rebound, volleying in off the turf.


Tensions inside Old Trafford were as high as they had been throughout the game, and players from both sides were booked during a period that was typical of the fixture. Amid the chaos, Arsenal were still looking for an equaliser, and Giroud reminded the Reds of his aerial threat when heading over the bar with time running out.


Though chances were scarce, the away side continued to press, and five minutes of added time were announced at the end of the half. But United, in particular the returning De Gea, stood strong to see out a vital win and claim all three points.


FULL-TIME STATISTICS
POSSESSION: United 39% Arsenal 61%
SHOTS (ON TARGET): United 7 (5) Arsenal 13 (5)
CORNERS: United 2 Arsenal 3


THE TEAMS
United: De Gea, Varela, Carrick (c), Blind, Rojo (Fosu-Mensah 55'), Schneiderlin, Herrera (Weir 90+5'), Lingard, Mata, Memphis, Rashford (Januzaj 80').
Subs not used: Romero, McNair, Riley, Pereira.
Booked: Varela, Carrick, Herrera.


Arsenal: Cech, Bellerin, Gabriel, Koscielny, Monreal, Ramsey, Coquelin (Elneny 70'), Walcott (Giroud 63'), Ozil, Sanchez, Welbeck (Iwobi 83').
Subs not used: Ospina, Mertesacker, Gibbs, Campbell.
Booked: Ramsey, Elneny, Ozil.


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Anyway, Rojo cedera lagi, semoga Mensah atau Riley mendapatkan berkah positif sekalipun mereka bukan kidal.
Rojo kmrn tampil solid, sayang hrs menepi lg krn cedera, smoga aja tdk parah, soal penggantinya kemungkinan Borthwick-Jackson tetap akan mjd pilihan utama kalo sudah kembali dr cedera

Mensah kmrn tampil cukup oke lah, hanya ada 1 kesalahan fatal ketika dia salah oper ke pemain Arsenal, tp overall utk pemain debutan cukup bagus
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