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Old 24-11-2014, 12:27 PM   #11
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ya perhatikan saja skema permainan yang LvG terapkan sekarang

dari 3-5-2 , 4-4-2 diamond, 4-4-1-1, 4-1-4-1 bahkan yang terbaru sekarang 3-4-3

welbeck dapat di akomodir ke seluruh skema permainan itu...

Dalam skema- skema diatas rasanya sudah ada posisi yang "permanent" milik orang tertentu khusus lini serang (Danny gak mungkin main bertahan kan kaya nasib Young & Valencia), contohnya Rooney- Di Maria- RvP saat mereka fit selalu ada tempat bagi mereka.

Kesimpulan yang saya ambil, benar kata RvP sabtu lalu. Tempat Welbeck hanya ada dibangku cadangan (jika ia masih di United).
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Thread buat mereka yg gk bisa move on nih ..., oppss ...

Bang Alsep - Oom Troy, kata sapa Welbo kurang membantu defend United ..... ??

Nih buktinya ...


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Dalam skema- skema diatas rasanya sudah ada posisi yang "permanent" milik orang tertentu khusus lini serang (Danny gak mungkin main bertahan kan kaya nasib Young & Valencia), contohnya Rooney- Di Maria- RvP saat mereka fit selalu ada tempat bagi mereka.

Kesimpulan yang saya ambil, benar kata RvP sabtu lalu. Tempat Welbeck hanya ada dibangku cadangan (jika ia masih di United).
yaps memang gw akui sih dari segi posisi, mungkin van gaal sudah mempunyai orang2 yang sudah bisa di percaya untuk mengisi posisi tersebut...

cuma ngenes aja klo ngeliat performance welbeck di arsenal saat ini..

bahkan whoscore menilai sangat bagus welbeck dengan poin 7.43, vPersie malah 6.89

welbeck lebih banyak KeyPass nya di bandingkan v.Persie.
dan pergerakan melewati lawannya lebih bagus rate nya...
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Nah Kang ..., kalo semisal Welbo tetep di United, apakah performa seperti yg direpresentasikan whoscored tsb bisa kecapai ... ???
Tbh, rasanya kok nggak yaa ..
Jadi sih klo menurut gw it's fair buat team maupun pemainnya sendiri ...
Mungkin Welbo akan masuk jajaran pemain2 yg lebih bersinar setelah keluar United
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Dibalik lepasnya Welbeck ada Wilson yang muncul. Bukan kesalahan ah, memberi kesempatan Wilson juga penting. Rasanya di umur yang sama, Wilson lebih subur dibanding Welbeck.

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yaps memang gw akui sih dari segi posisi, mungkin van gaal sudah mempunyai orang2 yang sudah bisa di percaya untuk mengisi posisi tersebut...

cuma ngenes aja klo ngeliat performance welbeck di arsenal saat ini..

bahkan whoscore menilai sangat bagus welbeck dengan poin 7.43, vPersie malah 6.89

welbeck lebih banyak KeyPass nya di bandingkan v.Persie.
dan pergerakan melewati lawannya lebih bagus rate nya...
Entahlah kalau soal rate, sedikit OOT. Ander Herrera saja di whoscored rating-nya lebih tinggi dari Fellaini- Blind- Carrick. 3 orang yang lebih dipilih LvG. Nah kembali ke Welbeck, rasanya Welbeck memang gak dibutuhkan LvG karena mungkin LvG menilai RvP lebih pantas. Saya akui Welbeck semakin berkembang di Arsenal, namun saya sependapat dengan opa Ron. Jika Welbeck masih di United rasanya sulit melihat ia seperti sekarang.

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Dibalik lepasnya Welbeck ada Wilson yang muncul. Bukan kesalahan ah, memberi kesempatan Wilson juga penting. Rasanya di umur yang sama, Wilson lebih subur dibanding Welbeck.

iya juga. Welbeck nanti mulai naik saat di pinjam ke Preston North End & Sunderland.
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kalo dibandingkan sama Falcao atau RvP menurut saya ga apple to apple. Welbeck fungsinya bukan finisher, tapi support striker tapi bukan juga nomor sepuluh. Keunggulannya saat dijadikan suffaco (lebih sering berhasil pas jaman SAF) berguna utk memberikan pressing lawan sejak di pertahanan.

Namun di Arsenal dia jadi target man & sekali lagi attribut finishing-nya masih sama. Kalo dijual sayang, tapi ga dijual perannya 'hanya' sedikit mengingat ga banyak klub yg punya deep lying playmaker yg musti dijaganya.
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Kalau menurut ane mending dipinjamkan , ketimbang dijual ,,
Kita gak tahu musim depan RVP perfom nya bagus atau enggak ..
Sedikit kecewa seh ..
Tapi keputusan manager .. Yg lebih tahu ..

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Menurut saya sih TEPAT.
Karena:
1. Kalau tetap di United, welbeck bakal jadi penghangat bangku cadangan dan bisa bisa ga berkembang karena cadangan terus, kasian jadinya.
2. Sering menyia-nyiakan peluang selama di United.
3. Memberikan kesempatan untuk James Wilson lebih berkembang.

Cukup sekian dan terima kasih..
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Kalau dilihat dari harga, rasanya kurang tepat, karena Welbeck masih muda dan merupakan pemain timnas. Di usianya yang masih belia, Welbeck masih dapat berkembang seperti yang akhirnya dia buktikan di tim baru dan timnas.

Tapi bila dilihat dari sisi keseimbangan tim, penjualan Welbeck tepat mengingat kita sudah memiliki RVP, Rooney dan Falcao di lini depan. Harus ada yang dikorbankan untuk keseimbangan tim.

Tapi saya juga gak setuju kalau ada yang bilang penjualan Welbeck tepat karena doi gak bagus. Kita harus akui ketajaman Welbeck di MU kurang teruji, karena doi selama di MU jarang sekali bermain sebagai striker murni, dan lebih sering di pasang di sayap. Naluri mencetak golnya Welbeck tidak buruk untuk pemain seusianya saat bermain sebagai striker murni.

Kesimpulan untuk keseimbangan tim, ane setuju Welbeck dijual. Tapi kalau dilihat dari harga dan usia, sedikit menyesal melihat kepergiaannya.
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