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Old 03-04-2014, 08:52 AM   #11
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Harapannya sih pengen liat taktik yang dipake lawan Villa dan Olimpiakos di OT dipake lagi. Cuma pengen tau, itu emang taktinya yang hebat atau karena lawannya aja yang hanya Villa dan Olimpiakos.

Tapi klo parkir bis lagi kayak di leg pertama, ya sudah berarti emang Moyes sudah kalah sebelum bertanding.
Nggak juga... bisa jadi dengan cara itu United malah bisa lolos. Bertahan dikuatkan dan mencuri gol lewat serangan balik. Chelsea pernah juara dengan taktik gitu kan? Bukan artinya kalah sebelum bertanding.
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Trus kira2 permainan seperti apa yang harus dimainkan MU untuk mengejar ketinggalan 1 gol? Sekarang ini kita hitungannya ketinggalan 1 gol kan? Kita yang lebih butuh gol untuk lolos.
Taktik bertahan belum tentu ngga bakal kebobolan dan ngga bisa cetak gol, justru kadang malah sebalik nya..
Taktik menyerang belum tentu juga bisa mencetak gol dan pasti gampang kebobolan..
kedua sangat stuasional dan tergantung lawan juga..
leg 1 udah membuktikan kalo taktik membiarkan mereka masuk pertahanan dan kemudian melakukan direct pass dan counter attack terbukti efektif, Munchen menguasai lapangan tapi United lebih mengancam..
kalo saja lini depan gak buang peluang, bisa lebih dari 1 gol kemaren..
Buat leg 2 ngga salah kalo pola ini dipake lagi dan mudah2an beberapa pemain yang cedera udah fit..
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United Assume the Underdog Role Against Bayern to Great Effect



And so, Manchester United's European campaign lives on. The expected dismantling by a Bayern Munich side rightly hailed as the best side in the world did not come, and while a 1-1 first-leg draw at home is not a particularly good score for any side with any aspirations of actually going through, never mind winning the Champions League, the performance on Wednesday night was fairly encouraging.

It is perhaps difficult to take for many United fans who have grown up with success not so much expected, more presumed, but they must get used to assuming the role of the underdog, which they very much were against Bayern, and indeed very much played like it too.

United were not talking like underdogs before the game, with David Moyes perhaps learning the lesson of previous weeks that it doesn't do to cast yourself in such a role as Manchester United manager, while Ryan Giggs was even more bullish.

"We don't see ourselves as underdogs," he told the official United website. "We see ourselves as Manchester United playing at home in the Champions League, so we're looking forward to it."

Nevertheless, United played like underdogs on Wednesday, with Moyes' previous success in similar games while at Everton perhaps coming to the fore. United largely ceded possession to Bayern and operated on the counter-attack; not quite a park-the-bus approach but nonetheless one that was designed to minimise Bayern's attacking incisiveness and not let the tie get away from United.

Still, if the intention was to frustrate and even annoy Bayern, then it seemed to work. Pep Guardiola was involved in an exchange one might best describe as "tetchy" with the Guardian's Jamie Jackson after the game, while both Arjen Robben and Toni Kroos expressed their frustration with United's approach.

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It was not easy, as our opponents didn't leave any gaps. We wanted to play football but they tried to stop us. The English were just playing on the counter and have played very defensively, it was almost like in handball.

But when you go a goal down you have to be pleased with a draw. 1-1 is a very good result that we can take home with us and then we just have to finish it off next week.
If United operate in a similar manner in the second leg in Munich, then they might have a chance of pulling something extraordinary off. For all the criticism Moyes has received this season (and much of it has been warranted), he got things right in the first game, and while his record in big away games is nothing like that in similar home encounters, based on Wednesday night's performance it is not out of the question that they could go through.

Moyes certainly sounds pretty confident, telling Sky Sports after the game:

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I always felt that we could score a goal against them, and I'll go to Munich believing that we can score a goal.

Coming into the tie, most people had Bayern as favourites for the game and rightly so – they are European champions.

But I think this club is used to big nights in Europe and I think tonight it showed it on the field and off the field as well.
United's progression remains unlikely, but if they can manage an upset in Munich, then it might just be the result that buys Moyes another season at Old Trafford.

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Taktik bertahan belum tentu ngga bakal kebobolan dan ngga bisa cetak gol, justru kadang malah sebalik nya..
Taktik menyerang belum tentu juga bisa mencetak gol dan pasti gampang kebobolan..
kedua sangat stuasional dan tergantung lawan juga..
leg 1 udah membuktikan kalo taktik membiarkan mereka masuk pertahanan dan kemudian melakukan direct pass dan counter attack terbukti efektif, Munchen menguasai lapangan tapi United lebih mengancam..
kalo saja lini depan gak buang peluang, bisa lebih dari 1 gol kemaren..
Buat leg 2 ngga salah kalo pola ini dipake lagi dan mudah2an beberapa pemain yang cedera udah fit..
Oke MU bermain dengan pola yang sama, bagaimana dengan Munchen?
Gimana klo Munchen memilih bermain menguasai bola untuk membuang waktu alih2 menyerang habis seperti di leg pertama?
Logis aja, leg kedua ini Munchen akan tampil sedikit tanpa beban dibandingkan kita.
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Man United masih harus maen deep buat menjaga pertahanan n ngandelin counter attack, Welbeck n Valencia jadi opsi penting disini. Kalo bisa mencetak gol cepat duluan maka peluang lolos semifinals semakin besar. Come on you Reds !!!
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Oke MU bermain dengan pola yang sama, bagaimana dengan Munchen?
Gimana klo Munchen memilih bermain menguasai bola untuk membuang waktu alih2 menyerang habis seperti di leg pertama?
Logis aja, leg kedua ini Munchen akan tampil sedikit tanpa beban dibandingkan kita.
Pemain yg berada paling depan harus lebih aktif melakukan pressure dan intercept...
Kita pnya Rooney, Valencia, Welbeck yg cukup kompeten buat role tsb, pressure - intercept - direct pass..
Hal yg gak kalah penting juga, jaga sisi sayap minimalisir celah, biasa nya ketika serangan mentok di tengah, sisi sayap adlah opsi yg bisa ditembus ketika mereka memancing pemain kita naik keatas

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menurut dukun yang ogut tanya,kemungkinan besar united akan memakai pola yang sama..

akan mundur bertahan dan siap untuk counter attack,dan mungkin valencia bisa diganti nani yang lebih tricky..

dan muenchen akan tetap sepeti barcelona rasa jerman,akan memegang ball poss sebanyak mungkin,apakah muenchen hanya ball poss tanpa menyerang?menurut gw ngga,karena pep bukan tipe seperti itu,mereka akan tetap menguasai pertandingan dan menekan united,kenapa?
karena jika mereka bisa membobol united maka united akan keluar menyerang dan muenchen akan lebih mudah membunuh united yang akan keluar menyerang...

yang jadi pertanyaannya apakah lini pertahanan united akan sebagus kemarin atau kembali normal??




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menurut dukun yang ogut tanya,kemungkinan besar united akan memakai pola yang sama..

akan mundur bertahan dan siap untuk counter attack,dan mungkin valencia bisa diganti nani yang lebih tricky..

dan muenchen akan tetap sepeti barcelona rasa jerman,akan memegang ball poss sebanyak mungkin,apakah muenchen hanya ball poss tanpa menyerang?menurut gw ngga,karena pep bukan tipe seperti itu,mereka akan tetap menguasai pertandingan dan menekan united,kenapa?
karena jika mereka bisa membobol united maka united akan keluar menyerang dan muenchen akan lebih mudah membunuh united yang akan keluar menyerang...

yang jadi pertanyaannya apakah lini pertahanan united akan sebagus kemarin atau kembali normal??




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menurut dukun yang ogut tanya,kemungkinan besar united akan memakai pola yang sama..

akan mundur bertahan dan siap untuk counter attack,dan mungkin valencia bisa diganti nani yang lebih tricky..

dan muenchen akan tetap sepeti barcelona rasa jerman,akan memegang ball poss sebanyak mungkin,apakah muenchen hanya ball poss tanpa menyerang?menurut gw ngga,karena pep bukan tipe seperti itu,mereka akan tetap menguasai pertandingan dan menekan united,kenapa?
karena jika mereka bisa membobol united maka united akan keluar menyerang dan muenchen akan lebih mudah membunuh united yang akan keluar menyerang...

yang jadi pertanyaannya apakah lini pertahanan united akan sebagus kemarin atau kembali normal??




Pasti maksudnya kembali normal kaya zaman ferdinand vidic muda kan Oom..wahahaha..
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Setuju sama opininya om Adjie

Di Allianz arena, United paling tidak harus berani menyerang, kl cm mengandalkan serangan balik maka peluang United untuk lolos memang masih ada, tapi saya rasa sangat kecil, bagaimanapun juga United Wajib Mencetak Gol.
Semakin cepat United bisa membobol gawang Neuer, semakin besar jg peluang United untuk melangkah ke semi final.. IMO
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