[EPL] West Ham United 2-2 Manchester United

[Oom Panda]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Manutd...
- Pass Success -- 88%
- Aerial Success -- 61%
- Possession -- 66%

Passess
Carrick -- 105/117 (90%)
Rio 61/65 (94%)
Rooney -- 55/65 (85%)
Vidic --- 55/57 (97%)
Kagawa --- 52/57 (91%)

Valencia juga beberapa kali melakukan crossing yang sukses ke kotak penalty, klo ngga salah 3-4 kali disambar Persie yang kena blok kiper West Ham..
intinya Passing kita ngga mati kok dan aliran bola lancar..

passing successful nya United itu kalo ga ke samping yah ke belakang.. Look the stats.. Rio and Vidic termasuk top 5 passer... and the other 3 is that 3 holding midfielder... so, passingnya yah cuman ke mereka2 aja..

tapi kalo kita nonton gamenya... passing kita ga ada yang ke depan, kalopun ke depan langsung mati...

Oke so, passing stats kita bagus, tapi apa gunanya kalo kita ga bisa gunain passnya untuk ngebuka defencenya WHU? kita cuman passing2 pendek, Rooney-Carrick-Kagawa.. then back to Rio to Vidic.. keeping back again to Rio, ga bisa maju back lagi ke DDG? itu yang gw bilang midfield kita ga ada kreatifitasnya... Mandek kalo dah megang bola...

Valencia did well on the cross.. harusnya lebih banyak early cross.. stop trying beating ne man drag to the baseline trus baru crossing.. its too damn predictable..

We're lacking of a winning pass... kita cuman passing aja, tanpa ada maknanya...

[theater of dream]

Originally Posted by Oom Panda

passing successful nya United itu kalo ga ke samping yah ke belakang.. Look the stats.. Rio and Vidic termasuk top 5 passer... and the other 3 is that 3 holding midfielder... so, passingnya yah cuman ke mereka2 aja..

tapi kalo kita nonton gamenya... passing kita ga ada yang ke depan, kalopun ke depan langsung mati...

Oke so, passing stats kita bagus, tapi apa gunanya kalo kita ga bisa gunain passnya untuk ngebuka defencenya WHU? kita cuman passing2 pendek, Rooney-Carrick-Kagawa.. then back to Rio to Vidic.. keeping back again to Rio, ga bisa maju back lagi ke DDG? itu yang gw bilang midfield kita ga ada kreatifitasnya... Mandek kalo dah megang bola...

Valencia did well on the cross.. harusnya lebih banyak early cross.. stop trying beating ne man drag to the baseline trus baru crossing.. its too damn predictable..

We're lacking of a winning pass... kita cuman passing aja, tanpa ada maknanya...

Wajar sih kalo seorang CB punya passing yang banyak secara kita memainkan pola direct attack dimana bola bakal langsung ke wilayah pertahanan lwan secepat mungkin..
yup mungkin kreativitas kurang tapi bukan berarti ngga ada kreativitas..
ngga ada passing ke depan ??
final passes :
Carrick --- 28/34
Vale ---- 22/25
Rooney --- 17/24
kagawa --- 13/15
aint enough ??
luck of winning pass ?
17 shots, 6 on target, 6 kena block udah ngebuktikan passing kita cukup mematikan, kita hanya sedikit kurang beruntung IMO

[Zulfan]

United bisa nyerang, kalo mau.
United bisa menguasai bola, kalo mau.
Dari shots yg semula kalah dari west ham, tuiiiinnggg... Naik tu sampe dua kali lipatnya.
Nah, apakah United kekurangan motivator di lapangan? Atau memang instruksi SAF untuk menaik-turunkan tempo?
Menjaga kebugaran mungkin?
Mungkin SAF akan menggunakan tim yg sama terus-menerus sampai titel didapat?
Mudah2an ini komentar yg terakhir.
Yok, lanjut ke thread berikutnya. Hehe..

[Oom Panda]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Wajar sih kalo seorang CB punya passing yang banyak secara kita memainkan pola direct attack dimana bola bakal langsung ke wilayah pertahanan lwan secepat mungkin..
yup mungkin kreativitas kurang tapi bukan berarti ngga ada kreativitas..
ngga ada passing ke depan ??
final passes :
Carrick --- 28/34
Vale ---- 22/25
Rooney --- 17/24
kagawa --- 13/15
aint enough ??
luck of winning pass ?
17 shots, 6 on target, 6 kena block udah ngebuktikan passing kita cukup mematikan, kita hanya sedikit kurang beruntung IMO

Kalo direct attack passing successful nya ga akan setinggi itu, bro... jarang banget long ball kita nyampenya pas... and itulah, kenapa juga maen long ball? dari yang gw liat Vidic sama Rio yah ngepassnya cuman ke antara mereka, ke DDG, ke full-back or ke Carrick, Rooney or Kagawa yang turun deep...

Winning pass means pass yang bisa ngebuka ruang, pas yang bisa buat kita nyerang, pass yang didalemnya dikasih pesan yang jelas untuk bisa jadi gol... kita kurang pass yang kaya gitu..

Anyway... stats is only stats for me... kalo gw liat pertandingannya sih gw bilang kita maen jelek banget... gw ga tau yang lain ngeliatnya gimana.. buat gw, level permainan United sangat jauh menurun... United bener2 ga bisa nembus defence westham... Defence splitting passnya ga ada... anyway sebenernya ga jelek2 amat nyerangnya.. hanya ga greget aja...

tapi defencenya... 2 gol WHU itu dateg dari defence yang buruk.. terutama dari full back kita..

no more comment, for me passing kita tetep buruk mau sebagus apapun statistiknya.. stidaknya itu yang gw liat di TV..

[theater of dream]

Direct attack ngga melulu long pass, coba liat pergerakan duo CB yang selalu berada hampir di garis tengah imbas dari West Ham yg bermain lebih menutup dan lebih banyak mengandalkan serangan balik..
Ya mungkin pandangan mata dan analisa kita berbeda tapi statistik mengatakan sesuatu yg factual di lapangan..
Ok deh @Oom Panda no more words between us

[lackofcrew]

Mau post jadi ngeri sebagai nubie tag nya momod semua

Pergantian aneh masuknya Giggs seorang pemain pengganti harus nya bs mengubah pertandingan tapi sepertinya malah invisible dilapangan

MOtm Kagawa

[rondwisan]

FoxSport

Manchester United, players rating

David De Gea - 7

Despite conceding two goals, De Gea's performance would be an encouraging one for United fans. He showed that he wasn't afraid of the physical side of the game by confidently coming out to claim crosses despite Carroll threatening to flatten him in every other set piece.

Rafael Da Silva - 6

Rafael struggled to cope with Jarvis and provided little going forward. Full of enthusiasm, but little end result from the Brazilian.

Rio Ferdinand - 6

Ferdinand had a tough game in defence against West Ham's barrage of crosses but improved as the game went on. Not the best performance from him, though.

Nemanja Vidic - 7.5

United could have easily lost the game if not for Vidic's effort in winning the headers off Carroll. He was unafraid of challenging the big Englishmen in the air and came away with several body bruises, which only served to typify the effort which earned the Serbian his reputation as a hardman in defence.

Patrice Evra - 6

Evra was a target for Carroll at the far post and fell victim as the striker got the better of him in the air to set up West Ham's first goal. Evra went forward and provided width for United due to the lack of a left winger - not an easy effort for the 31-year-old.

Phil Jones - 5.5

Jones' role in the game to break up attacks had little effect as West Ham effectively bypassed him by lobbing balls into the box. It wasn't that he had a bad game - he was simply played out of it by Allardyce's tactics.

Michael Carrick - 6.5

Carrick provided a passing option for his side and served to close down the space in midfield with a few good tackles to cover up for Rooney losing the ball.

Antonio Valencia - 6.5

Valencia scored a goal but that was about the only positive aspect to his game. His crosses were abysmal and frequently blocked by O'Brien at the back. Those which went through were horribly inaccurate and provided little threat to West Ham.

Wayne Rooney (Off 71') - 4

Rooney was sloppy in possession with many misplaced passes and poor in defence, where he lost track of Diame for West Ham's second goal. He looked unsure most of the time and let his side down, especially since he was handed the important role of having to link up his side's attack. At this rate, Paris Saint-Germain might actually lose interest in signing him.

Shinji Kagawa (Off 78') - 7.5

Kagawa was United's best player in attack with darting runs and short passes to move the ball around the box. He was involved in both goals with smart movement to keep the ball in West Ham's box - a summary of his strength as an attacking player.

Robin Van Persie - 7

Van Persie was clearly far from his top form against West Ham's physical defence but did well enough to create chances out of poor passes into the West Ham half. He grabbed his second goal in two games in controversial fashion after pouncing on a loose ball from an offside position.

Substitutes

Ryan Giggs (On 71') - 7

Giggs came on and helped settle down the midfield with steady passing and runs into wide areas, but it was to little effect as West Ham held strong.

Javier Hernandez (On 78') - N/A

[lackofcrew]

Originally Posted by rondwisan

FoxSport
[b]
Manchester United, players rating

Wayne Rooney (Off 71') - 4

Rooney was sloppy in possession with many misplaced passes and poor in defence, where he lost track of Diame for West Ham's second goal. He looked unsure most of the time and let his side down, especially since he was handed the important role of having to link up his side's attack. At this rate, Paris Saint-Germain might actually lose interest in signing him.

buset dah bener - bener busuk Wazza

kenapa ga pasang Cleverley aja yang bertiga sama Carrick and Kagawa.. lagi ga fit kah Cleverley

[and1]

Rooney emang semalem maennya ga jelas dan kalo menurut gw terlihat kaya ga niat maen, jd ga heran kalo dapet rating 4, pas lwn Stoke jg ga bagus maennya

jd emang layak diganti sih kmrn, dan kalo gw sih setuju dg keputusan Sir Alex buat maenin Ryan Giggs, di lapangan udah ada Chicharito, jd kita butuh penyuplai dr sayap dan Giggs jelas lbh baik drpd Nani yg kadang tlalu lama membawa bola

Valencia walau tdk istimewa tp ada perkembangan di match ini, Kagawa layak jd MOTM, dan next match mending maenin Kagawa di belakang Van Persie, dia lbh bagus drpd Rooney di posisi itu

[Syarifeghy]

Originally Posted by lackofcrew

buset dah bener - bener busuk Wazza

kenapa ga pasang Cleverley aja yang bertiga sama Carrick and Kagawa.. lagi ga fit kah Cleverley

ahhah , gak seperti saat melawan Stoke City yah passingnya Rooney , Ia nih, kenapa opa gak mainkan Cleverley , apakah Doi Cedera ?