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Manchester United sacked David Moyes one year ago... so what has Louis van Gaal changed since?

* Manchester United confirmed David Moyes's sacking on April 22, 2014
* But Sportsmail revealed Moyes's job was gone the day before
* The club were in turmoil following Sir Alex Ferguson's retirement
* But Louis van Gaal has steadied the ship this season
* Results, performances and players have all changed at Old Trafford


It is exactly a year since Sportsmail revealed that David Moyes was getting the sack at Manchester United, the club deciding to take action as soon as a defeat at Everton meant Champions League qualification was no longer possible.

Into his shoes stepped an entirely different character, the supremely confident Louis van Gaal. One year on, JOE BERNSTEIN looks at which man has coped best in the crucial areas of the job, with the pressure of trying to continue Sir Alex Ferguson's success at Old Trafford weighing heavily.

RESULTS

For David Moyes to take a team that had won the Premier League title by 11 points into seventh place was an unmitigated disaster, even if he coped well with his first Champions League campaign and reached the quarter-finals. United lost seven of their 19 league games at Old Trafford unacceptable.

Under Louis van Gaal, United have already won more league points than they did last season and there are still five matches left. There has been the occasional blip, like losing twice to Swansea City, but the bigger the match, they better they've done, which is how United are meant to be.

Two results stand out in particular. Under Moyes, United lost 3-0 at home to their biggest rivals Liverpool and Manchester City. In the corresponding fixtures this season, they have won 3-0 and 4-2.

Moyes 4/10; Van Gaal 7/10


There is a different vibe around Old Trafford now, as seen in the 4-1 win over Manchester City this month

PERFORMANCES

Neither manager plays the same way as Ferguson, whose response when lesser teams came to Old Trafford was to try and overwhelm them with attacking play, based on the use of wingers.

Moyes is a more cautious manager, prioritising his defence and it left United fans chanting: 'Come on David Moyes, play like Fergie's boys'. Van Gaal has also been criticised for building play too slowly, he likes to keep possession as a tool for eventually killing off the opposition, death by a thousand passes. But funnily enough that criticism has subsided as the results have improved.

Under Moyes, United looked great in some away games, particularly hitting Newcastle for four at St James' Park. But they fell short in the big matches. United got lucky at Arsenal and Southampton earlier in the season, but the showing in the Manchester derby a fortnight ago was a lot more vibrant.

Moyes 5/10; Van Gaal 6/10

DECISIONS

David Moyes got himself into a pickle before he'd even started by appearing ambiguous over whether he was a Robin van Persie man or a Wayne Rooney man. The result was the pair failed to link up in any meaningful way. Having spent 27million on Marouane Fellaini, he deployed him too deep, and failed to get the best out of experienced players Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand, Patrice Evra and Ryan Giggs.

Van Gaal comes across as a man who knows what he wants but a defensive injury crisis early on seemed to make him lurch from one formation to another. Rooney was also shunted around from attack to midfield which didn't get the best out of him. Ironically, it was Van Gaal's decision to push a Moyes signing, Fellaini, forward which proved the key to turning United's season around.

Moyes and Van Gaal have both made mistakes but the Dutchman seems to have the strength of personality to correct them in time. He has left big names out like Angel di Maria, Falcao and Robin van Persie. Moyes didn't seem to have the confidence to do that. Making Rooney captain was a Van Gaal plan that has worked.

Moyes 5/10; Van Gaal 6/10


Ryan Giggs (left) was one of the senior pros whom Moyes failed to get the best out of

SIGNINGS

It's a confusing area because we don't really know who has been responsible for all the signings at United since Ferguson left. One can assume Moyes handpicked Fellaini from Everton and he has been a belated success, but the 37.1million acquisition of Mata looked more like opportunism from Ed Woodward who needed at the time to know he could pull off a big deal. Ander Herrera, signed when Van Gaal was in charge, is regarded more as a Moyes buy - he'd done the homework on the Spaniard.

Likewise, Van Gaal can take credit for Daley Blind, whose versatility has come in useful this season, and Marcos Rojo. He admits he had little to do with Herrera or Luke Shaw, and the capture of Falcao was probably driven at boardroom level. The biggest signing, 60million for Di Maria, is interesting. Van Gaal definitely liked him as a winger but the Argentine has been a letdown despite 10 Premier League assists.

Moyes definitely scores a higher mark now for his transfer business than he would have scored when he left the club, which is why his supporters are aggrieved he wasn't given a second season.

Moyes 6/10; Van Gaal 5/10

RELATIONSHIP WITH PLAYERS

Having worked with Wayne Rooney as a teenager at Everton, Moyes was able to get the striker back onside despite his disappointment at the time of not earning a move to Chelsea. But other senior professionals did not react well to the Scot. Robin van Persie felt he was over-trained, though he was careful not to publicly criticise Moyes, but others like Rio Ferdinand were not shy about voicing complaints over issues like when the team was announced. Ryan Giggs made it clear he preferred a more direct, attacking approach with 'pace and width'. Club captain Nemanja Vidic made his decision to leave during Moyes' tenure.

It is hard to know exactly what goes on in the inner sanctum but it does appear Van Gaal is highly respected by his United squad. The attention to detail in training has won over key players like Rooney and Michael Carrick, the midfielder even suggesting the team's new style has been taken on board by the players quicker than the fans have done. Even when the team was struggling, you haven't heard mumblings of discontent in the dressing-room compared to a year ago.

Moyes 5/10; Van Gaal 7/10


Wayne Rooney and Van Gaal have formed a strong bond, and the Dutchman has the respect of his squad

PUBLIC RELATIONS

In a sense, Moyes was handed a thankless task, replacing Ferguson as the 'Chosen One'. It did require a strong personality with a thick skin, and unfortunately the Scot failed on both counts. In retrospect, he was too deferential, when he cited the club's tradition for bringing in young players and attacking until the end, it didn't sound right because his strengths lie elsewhere. His admission that he didn't take Van Persie off because he feared the reaction smelt of weakness. Neither was he helped by criticism from club legends Paul Scholes and Gary Neville on television.

Because of his c.v., Van Gaal has been able to lay down his markers rather better. He has dealt with the likes of Patrick Kluivert, Xavi and Andres Iniesta and the fans of Bayern Munich and Barcelona so nothing at United was going to frighten him. He has been confident enough to lay down his philosophy, whether popular or unpopular. His biggest error was getting sucked into an argument over long-ball tactics with Sam Allardyce.

Moyes 5/10; Van Gaal 7/10

ESCAPING THE SHADOW OF FERGIE

Having personally anointed Moyes, Ferguson maybe felt subconsciously he should have some influence. He went to nearly all the matches despite having said on retirement he'd travel the world and was put out that Moyes let his backroom team of Mike Phelan and Rene Meulensteen leave. Certainly, when Moyes was heading out, Fergie knew about it and didn't fight to keep him.

Ferguson knows he won't hold any sway over Van Gaal and doesn't even try, which has helped the Dutchman. He rarely goes to games now, and when he does he's definitely regarded as a legendary former manager rather than a backseat driver. Whether he intended to or not, Ferguson's shadow loomed large over Moyes. It's an issue Van Gaal has not had to contend with apart from the fans chanting 'Attack, attack, attack' when the ball is passed back to David de Gea.

Moyes 4/10; Van Gaal 6/10

TOTAL: Moyes 34/70; Van Gaal 44/70

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MU udah banyak berubah ke arah yg positif sejak kedatangan Van Gaal smp skrg,,sesuatu yg ga terjadi di era Moyes. Pemain-pemain yg gagal di era Moyes spt Young n Fellaini pun bisa bangkit di era Van Gaal dan menjadi bagian penting dari permainan MU. Khusus Fellaini,,bahkan seorang Mou pun sampai harus memasang 3 CB untuk menghentikannya(Zouma,Terry,Cahill).
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van Gaal do what he want, van Gaal say what he want
Moyes bingung, apalagi pertandingan di Goodison Park, keliatan banget ga tau mau ngapain lagi
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Yang satu hampir gak pernah memenangkan apa pun, yang satu lagi punya lemari yang penuh dengan piala.

Yang satu sebelas tahun lebih di sebuah klub dan tidak menghasilkan apapun, yang satu membawa tim macam AZ Alkmaar menjadi juara mengalahkan dominasi Ajax, PSV dan Feyenoord di Belanda.

Yang satu membawa MU terpuruk, yang satu mengembalikan tim sekelas MU ke jalur yang benar.
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Yang satu merasa skuat juara butuh di rombak tapi nggak ada yang percaya, yang satu minta siapa aja dkasih buat merombak skuat juara.

Dalam 2 musim udh mendatangkan banyak dan bernilai total mahal. Ya mungkin krn yang minta beda ya jadi dipercaya dan dituruti.
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Atau mgkn bkn manajemen yg gk mau nurutin, tp krn pemain yg diincar gk semuanya mau dilatih ama pelatih ecek2.

Di maria contohnya datang ke MU selain krn uang jg krn faktor ada lvg di MU. Klo pelatihnya msh moyes ane rasa gk semua bintang mau gabung MU. Jgnkn yg datang yg di dalm aja gerah.

Jd yg satu magnet buat pemain bintang, yg satu lg bukan siapa2 buat pemain bintang.

Yg kasian ed woodward dibilang gk pandai nego utk beli pemain, pdhl justru krn pelatihnya ecek2 pemain ditawarin gaji satu kontainer jg gk mau. Sejk ditangani lvg buktinya om ed sukses aja ngalahin pesaing utk dpt pemain.

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EdWood sebenernya sih blom sempet eksekusi perombakan,kan Moyes bilang butuh di rombak pas tengah2 musim. Transfer tengah musim selalu susah dapet pemain bagus. Dengan kondisi susah pun dapetnya pun pemain biasa2 aja, Juan Mata. Yang lebih nggak percaya klo skuatnya perlu dirombak sebenernya fans United.

Tapi ya untung ada Moyes. Klo bukan Moyes ntar skuat United ya itu2 aja. Dengan Moyes seolah membuka tabir gimana skat United sebenarnya.

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