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Old 01-07-2014, 02:35 PM   #11
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Saya sadar kok ada orang yang nggak mau mbahas gimana performa pemaen musim lalu dan hanya melihat label pemaen timnas, pemaen piala dunia, perpanjang kontrak plus juara bertahan.

Hahahaha...


Pemain timnas iya, stater di piala dunia iya, perpanjangan kontrak dapat, lah itu semua belum cukup ya untuk membuktikan pemain itu masih dianggap? Lalu mau pake patokan apa? patokan kata koran?

Karena salah urus aja beberapa pemain jadi keliatan habis.

Evra buktinya sampai hari ini masih dipercaya jadi stater di bek kiri prancis, di piala dunia dan orang awam mengatakan doi sudah habis
Klo emang performannya musim lalu berantakan, masa iya dipanggil ke piala dunia?
Ini Prancis loh, pelatihnya aja berani coret Nasri, masa gak berani coret Evra yang kata orang berantakan?

Denger2 LVG mau boyong Dirk Kuyt, klo sampai kejadian, kebayang d gmna jajaran pemain2 (yang menurut awam) sudah habis di MU

Nah nyangkutin dikit sama Komersialisasi Sepakbola, gara2 klub lain belanja pemain "bintang", pemain2 yang gak keliatan bintang jadi dikatakan gak kompetitif atau sudah habis.
Fans lupa, bila sepakbola itu tidak ditentukan selalu dari kebintangan yang disematkan media, tapi dari pola latihan, kekompakan, taktik dan kerja sama tim.

Herrera atau Fabregas? Orang awam pasti milih Fabregas (yang lebih komersil namanya).


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Hahahaha...


Pemain timnas iya, stater di piala dunia iya, perpanjangan kontrak dapat, lah itu semua belum cukup ya untuk membuktikan pemain itu masih dianggap? Lalu mau pake patokan apa? patokan kata koran?

Karena salah urus aja beberapa pemain jadi keliatan habis.

Evra buktinya sampai hari ini masih dipercaya jadi stater di bek kiri prancis, di piala dunia dan orang awam mengatakan doi sudah habis
Klo emang performannya musim lalu berantakan, masa iya dipanggil ke piala dunia?
Ini Prancis loh, pelatihnya aja berani coret Nasri, masa gak berani coret Evra yang kata orang berantakan?

Denger2 LVG mau boyong Dirk Kuyt, klo sampai kejadian, kebayang d gmna jajaran pemain2 (yang menurut awam) sudah habis di MU


Ampyun dah mas... Saya nyerah... Lagi puasa...

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United punya tradisi "membintangkan pemain" dan bukan membeli pemain bintang , meski terkadang membeli satu orang dengan harga selangit. tapi tetap mengandalkan potensi-potensi pemain muda.
Mau nanyain ke TS ... atau penulis *macam skripsi aja ...

argumen tradisi united untuk mencetak pemain bintang itu lagu lama deh .. cuma kali ini rada kreatif dikit sih dikasih "membeli satu orang dengan harga selangit" ....

siapa sih pemain bintang terakhir united yang muncul dari akademinya united? cleverley? wellbeck? richardson? wes brown? o'shea? fletcher? atau malah luke chadwick ...

macam fletcher gitu emang mungkin pernah jadi pemain andalan ... tapi bintang? nope ... tentu saja tidak .. fletcher ya cuman begitu-begitu doang ... nda usah bandingin macam pirlo lah ... pernah fletcher sampai ke tingkat cambiasso? gattuso gitu? ndak pernah kan ...

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hal ini tidak dapat sepenuhnya dianggap salah, karena pemain muda United kurang diberi kesempatan, ataupun memang kalah bersaing dengan klub-klub lain yang selalu melakukan mega transfer dari tahun ketahun demi mendapatkan gelar.
tahun 97 MU kalah saing ama arsenal ... mungkin sang penulis harus tau apa langkah yang diambil ferguson ... beli 3 pemain jadi langsung ... staam, yorke ama blomqvist ... meskipun yang terakhir kariernya ndak sebersinar yang dua lainnya ...

class of 92 itu uda 22 tahun yang lalu ... udah saatnya bagi fans mu buat move on ... macam orang fasis aja yang selalu banggain masa lalu, makanya ngebuat penilaiannya tentang sekarang jadi bias



pemain muda MU itu bukan kalah saing ... tapi emang akademi MU sudah berhenti produksi wonderkid dari tahun 92 .... akademi lainnya sudah lebih oye ... paling top ya sekarang southampton ... mulai dari bale, oxlade, walcott sampai yang terbaru ya luke shaw ..

logikanya ... toh pemain MU yang keluar dari MU gak ada yang bisa menjadi pemain bintang ... pemain-pemain yang dulunya dinilai punya talenta tinggi juga akhirnya mentok2 .. di tim papan bawah atau malah divisi-divisi rendah ... sebut saja nama richardson, cam stewart, chadwick, spector ... rossi, pique, ama pogba itu beli dari tim lain loh ...

lagian dalam membintangkan pemain kita sudah kalah sama arsenal kok ... ingat menurut survey .... dari 10 kleberson ada satu ronaldo ....
jadi membintangkan pemain, mencetak pemain bintang dll .... itu lagu lama ... udah kadaluwarsa

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@atticus.finch; sangar tulisannya. Tapi menurutku ya emang gitu adanya. Tapi ya menghasilkan pemaen dari akademi ya nggak mudah juga. Nggak tiap saat ada pemaen sekaliber Januzaj. Klo mo semacam Cleverley lebih bisa dibanding mo cari Giggs baru.
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@atticus.finch; sangar tulisannya. Tapi menurutku ya emang gitu adanya. Tapi ya menghasilkan pemaen dari akademi ya nggak mudah juga. Nggak tiap saat ada pemaen sekaliber Januzaj. Klo mo semacam Cleverley lebih bisa dibanding mo cari Giggs baru.
dibutuhkan lebih dari sekedar talenta buat nembus tim inti ....
ravel morrison ...


kalo gak salah kan ferguson dan underlingnya kan sering banget protes ke fa mengenai regulasi pemain binaan ....
jarak rumah pemain ke akademi harus berapa menit/kilometer gitu ...
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Judulnya terlalu general, "Komersialisasi Sepakbola", kalau mau ga komersil dukung aja FCUM :p

Kalo bicara soal komersialisasi, semenjak berubah jadi EPL, secara garis besar itulah awal komersialisasi sepakbola. Hak siar yg awalnya dibagi 50%, 25%, 12.5%, 12.5% tiap divisi menjadi berubah porsi. Tahun 2003 tercatat 73% sendiri masuk EPL. Era kapitalis. Hal inilah yg mendorong klub-klub (besar) untuk berlomba-lomba mendapat hak siar. Jika dikaitkan dengan pembahasan disini ya belanja pemain mahal/bintang untuk mengatrol secara cepat kualitas tim. Jangan lupa, perihal pembelian pemain seperti yg disebut @atticus.finch; United membeli Cantona juga Roy Keane dengan harga tidak murah.

Saya rasa lebih tepatnya dikatakan 'kebijakan transfer United' bukan komersialisasi. Saya juga mengamini @atticus.finch; class of 92 itu the one and only. Tidak ada lagi atau mungkin belum ada lagi hingga sekarang.
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Why The Arrival Of This Dutchman (Not Van Gaal) Will Make Manchester United Future Proof
By Srihari on July 12, 2014 - soccersouls.com

Manchester United are a club that are known for their history, for their brand of football and for the charisma of their players and managers alike. From the days of Sir Matt Busby to the days of Sir Alex Ferguson, a lot of things had changed at Manchester United , but two things remained constant.

The two most successful managers of this historic club had two mantras that made them both hugely successful. One was the commitment to free-flowing attacking football, which both managers made utmost use of to get the fans on their back and the second was the promotion of youth.

Whether it was the “Busby Babes” of the 1950’s to the more recent “Fergie’s fledglings” of the early 1990’s the club has seen some phenomenal young players come through theranks and being given an opportunity to play in the first team to prove themselves. In the past decade or so, there haven’t been as many good young players coming through.

Barring Darren Fletcher who came through towards the early part of the last decade and Danny Welbeck who came through in the early part of this one, there haven’t been too many players that have come through the ranks. Although there have been plenty of
promising prospects plying their trade at Old Trafford over the past decade or so, not too many have been able to break into the first-team, let alone cement their place in the lineup.

While the reason why is still up for debate, one thing is for sure. Of all of Louis van Gaal’s signings so far, his best one might just be a member of the non-playing staff. The appointment of Albert Stuivenberg as an assistant coach at Manchester United shows that the Dutchman is keen to harness the club’s youth system and make full use of the club’s extensive network of scouts who have brought some of the brightest young talents from all over the world to Old Trafford.

For those who don’t know too much about the Dutchman, Stuivenberg was coach of the Netherlands U-17 side who won the 2011 and 2012 UEFA European Championship. He was also in charge of the Dutch U-21 side recently and his inclusion to the coaching staff shows that Van Gaal is keen to stick to United’s DNA and secure a long-term future for the club. Van Gaal has shown that despite his inclination to buy new players, he also has
a vested interest in the long-term success of the club that he is set to take over once the World Cup is over.

While there is no doubt that the club needs to splash the cash right now on a few players to improve a lackluster squad, the fact of the matter is that, if the club wants to succeed in the long run, they will need players coming in from the academy and stepping into the first-team. For, there is only so much money you can spend, especially with Financial Fairplay rules kicking in to curb big spending.

The 62-year-old Dutchman understands this and his appointment of Stuivenberg is certainly a step in the right direction. The Dutch have always been known for their beautiful football and the appointment of one of the finest youth coaches in Europe shows that Van Gaal is keen on improving the club’s youth structure and help bring more tactically astute players through the ranks at Old Trafford.

So far, Van Gaal has made all the right moves and has already shown that he is ready to make some tough calls if they need to be made. The Dutchman has also addressed a couple of key concerns in the squad that needed attention and is already plotting a move for a few more targets as well. Irrespective of who comes in before the start of the season, the appointment of Stuivenberg as an assistant coach certainly means that the club’s long-term future is in able hands.

So don’t be surprised if you see a few youngsters breaking into the first-team and giving the experienced campaigners a run for the money. If there is one thing that Van Gaal has done throughout his career, that is his promotion of youth and that looks certain to continue at Old Trafford.

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Sepertinya artikel di atas adalah jawaban yang sangat pad buat topik thread ini. Kedatangan Stuivenberg seolah jawaban atas kekhawatiran fans atas jor2annya United. Meski jor2an tapi LVG tetap memiliki visi ke depan terkait pemaen akademi United. Pembelian pemaen tetap dibutuhkan mengingat United bener2 butuh pemaen berkualitas buat mendongkrak kualitas tim secara keseluruhan, tapi pembelian jor2an (kemungkinan) bukan akan dijadikan tradisi seperti klub2 lain.
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