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Old 22-09-2009, 08:34 PM   #1
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Default We Always Got Extra Time When We Need It

okay, sekarang waktunya diskusi kontroversi dan ini bahan diskusinya artikel gue dari Djarum Super aja yak....
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Manchester United Selalu Mendapat Tambahan Waktu Bila Dibutuhkan
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22/09/2009

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Sebuah studi menunjukkan bahwa pada pertandingan melawan Manchester City kemarin bukanlah pertama kalinya Manchester United mendapatkan injury time lebih

Sir Alex Ferguson mengklaim bahwa timnya mencetak lebih banyak gol di penghujung pertandingan daripada tim lain di dunia ini. Tidak sedikit yang mencurigai bahwa Manchester United kerap dibantu oleh wasit. Studi yang dilakukan oleh The Guardian membuktikan kecurigaan tersebut bahwa sering kali Manchester United mendapatkan keuntungan dari waktu injury time yang berlebih.

Setelah kontroversi injury time pada derby Manchester yang berujung pada gol Michael Owen, The Guardian menelisik semua pertandingan kandang United di Old Trafford sejak dimulainya musim 2006-2007 dan menemukan hasil bahwa secara rata-rata wasit memberikan waktu injury time 1 menit lebih banyak bila United tidak unggul setelah 90 menit dibanding bila United memimpin.

Dalam 48 pertandingan di mana United unggul setelah 90 menit, waktu rata-rata injury time adalah 191, 35 detik. Dalam 12 pertandingan di mana United seri atau ketinggalan setelah 90 menit, waktu rata-rata injury time adalah 257, 17 detik.

Waktu injury time rata-rata di Old Trafford dalam periode tersebut masih lebih rendah dari Anfield, Emirates Stadium, dan Stamford Bridge. United-205 detik, Liverpool-210 detik, Arsenal-224 detik, dan Chelsea-229. Tapi rata-rata waktu yang didapat para pesaing United tersebut sesuai dengan waktu tambahan yang tertera pada papan yang diangkat asisten wasit menjelang usainya 90 menit.

Bukti menunjukkan bahwa Manchester United kerap mendapat keuntungan bila bermain di kandang. Saat Owen merubah kedudukan menjadi 4-3 hari Minggu silam, waktu injury time telah menunjukkan angka 5 menit, 26 detik. Total, wasit Martin Atkinson memberikan injury time hampir 7 menit walaupun asisten wasit hanya mengindikasikan maksimal 4 menit.

Manajer Manchester City, Mark Hughes, mengeluhkan bahwa dirinya merasa dirampok. Keluhannya tidak akan berpengaruh banyak jika ia menengok analisa ketiga musim silam.

Pada musim 2006-2007, sebagai contoh, United 15 kali memasuki injury time dalam posisi unggul dan wasit memberikan waktu tambahan rata-rata 194,53 detik. Dalam 4 pertandingan di mana United tidak unggul, wasit memberikan rata-rata waktu tambahan 217,25 detik. Musim berikutnya perbedaan semakin mencolok. United mendapat tambahan waktu 178,29 detik saat unggul dan 254,5 saat mereka seri atau ketinggalan. Musim lalu, perbedaannya adalah 187,71 saat unggul dan 258,6 saat tidak unggul.

Pola tersebut berulang pada 3 pertandingan awal musim ini. Dalam 2 pertandingan di mana United unggul, mereka mendapat tambahan waktu rata-rata 304 detik. Pada derby Manchester kemarin, wasit Martin Atkinson membiarkan waktu bergulir hinggal 415 detik.
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so, we cheated death, eh?

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Old 22-09-2009, 09:07 PM   #2
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IMO Klo yang kemarin lawan City masih wajar kayak nya, banyak pelanggaran, gol juga ada 6, trus tiap gol selebrasi nya lumayan lama...
Objective gak yah hahaha....
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we're not cheat death... kita cuma berusaha untuk tidak mati.. ^^

at derby last weekend... its already calculated.. there's 3 goals and 3 substitute, including one goal and one substitute at injury time, and then we got interupting fans (we MUST thanked for this guy) for adding another seconds.... So, we know how to make injury time berguna untuk kita...

Chelsea always got the longest injury time ever...
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Old 23-09-2009, 12:43 AM   #4
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sblm baca ini gue sempet debate ama salah seorg teman...
lsg gue coba ke FIFA.com dan checking the law...

Laws of the Game ( fifa.com )
LAW 7 - the Duratin of the match

Allowance for time lost
- substitution ( s );
- assessment of injury to players;
- removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment;
- wasting time;
- any other cause.
- The allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee.


cheating?
its 3-3...AT AN EVEN SCORE...
bisa aja malah 3-4 utk kemenangan City kan???
so...f0ck sparky...f0ck man citeh!


my next question...
supporter itu masuk kapan sih???? kmrn pas LIVE gue beneran ga ngeliat dia beraksi di lapangan.
masuk saat 3-3? atau udah 4-3???
harusnya masuk stlh 4-3...atau malah pas udah selesai game deh

sorry udah dpt jawaban....fan itu masuk saat final whistle udah bunyi...

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TS-nya Daniel Taylor yang nyamar ya?
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Revealed: Manchester United get more injury time when they need it

• Guardian study shows added time to turn round home games
• Owen won derby after an extra five minutes and 26 seconds

Daniel Taylor
The Guardian, Tuesday 22 September 2009


Sir Alex Ferguson likes to boast that his Manchester United team score more late goals than any other side in the world. Others argue that they get a bit of extra help from referees. It has now emerged that the Premier League champions do, as suspected, benefit from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time that is added to their matches.

After the controversy over Michael Owen's winning goal in Sunday's Manchester derby, the Guardian has looked at all of United's league matches at Old Trafford since the start of the 2006-07 season and discovered that, on average, there has been over a minute extra added by referees when United do not have the lead after 90 minutes, compared to when they are in front. In 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 seconds. In 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17sec.

The average stoppage time added at Old Trafford in the period in question is below that given at Anfield, the Emirates Stadium and Stamford Bridge. United's is 205 seconds, compared to Liverpool's 210sec, Arsenal's 224sec and Chelsea's 229sec. But there is also evidence to support the suspicions of many managers, players and supporters that United get preferential treatment at home. When Owen made it 4-3 on Sunday the game was five minutes and 26 seconds into stoppage time. In total, the referee, Martin Atkinson, allowed almost seven minutes, even though the fourth official had signalled a minimum of four. Mark Hughes, the City manager, spoke of feeling "robbed". His sense of grievance will not be helped if he analyses the last three seasons.

In 2006-07, for example, United were winning 15 times on entering stoppage time and referees added an average 194.53sec. In the four games when United were not winning there was an average of 217.25sec. The following year the disparity was greater, Opta's figures showing an average 178.29sec added when United were winning and 254.5sec when they were not. Last season it was 187.71sec compared to 258.6sec.

The pattern has continued in the first three games of the season. In the two games United have led they have played an average 304sec of injury time. On Sunday, Atkinson allowed the game to go on for 415sec
kaya terjemahan aja...

Lagian udah dicounter ama Graham Poll, tapi ya ini emang wasit agak gila juga sih [masih terngiang-ngiang tiga kartu kuning buat pemain Kroasia], jadi ya terserah mau percaya yang mana.

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GRAHAM POLL: Well done ref, you timed the Manchester derby just right - and United showed how City to play to the whistle
By Graham Poll Last updated at 9:42 AM on 22nd September 2009


Having watched a complete re-run of Sunday's Manchester derby, I have to conclude that Martin Atkinson was absolutely correct and highly credible in his time-keeping.

Mystery and controversy often surround the amount of additional time allowed, but this is covered in law seven, 'The duration of a match'.

It is wonderfully ambiguous in listing the reasons why allowance for time lost should be made.

There are five listed: substitutions; assessment of injury to players; removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment; wasting time: and any other cause.

The final point makes it easy to understand the lack of clarity when a law relies on so much subjectivity.

There is no need to add time on whenever the ball goes out of play for throw-ins, goal kicks or free-kicks, as they are viewed as natural stoppages.

Referees tend to follow guidelines, which are that for every goal or substitution you should allow 30 seconds and then add a minute or two for injuries and/or time-wasting, if they have occurred.

When there is a lengthy delay for a serious injury, it is often timed and added to the calculated time.

There were three goals and three substitutions in the second half at Old Trafford, which means that a minimum of three minutes had to be added, plus a minute due to other causes, hence the four minutes which were indicated.

Then, in stoppage time, there was another goal and a substitution, meaning that at least one more minute had to be added, with a fan running on to the pitch taking up further seconds.

So, well done Martin Atkinson for attention to detail and to Manchester United for playing right to the final whistle.
Yang jelas kalo buat gue, alasan perpanjangan waktu yang panjang itu kurang memiliki dasar karena toh yang maen kan dua tim, City juga punya kesempatan bikin gol kan?
Sama juga kaya argumen Wenger dulu2 kalo lapangan bermainnya jelek, padahal yang maen di atas lapangan kan dua tim kenapa mesti Arsenal doang yang ngeluh.

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yaaa!!! Itu ga curang!! Wasitnya aja bageur teuing..hahaha
Lagian juga emang ada banyak gol, pergantian pemain dan pelanggaran, wajar aja sama wasit dilebihin...^^
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Ada tiga pertanyaan khusus untuk para ABU-ers :
1.Kenapa kalau United yang dapat waktu lebih seolah seluruh dunia memusuhi...?
2.kalau Liverpool, atau Chelsea, atau Arsenal yang dapat, pada kemana semua orang...?
3.Apa yang akan mereka katakan kalau saat itu United kalah...?

Bagi Red Devilers yang ingin menjawab tidak dilarang, meskipun tingkat kevalidannya agak meragukan (ada sedikit Subjektif di situ kan.. hehehehe...)
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Ada tiga pertanyaan khusus untuk para ABU-ers :
1.Kenapa kalau United yang dapat waktu lebih seolah seluruh dunia memusuhi...?
2.kalau Liverpool, atau Chelsea, atau Arsenal yang dapat, pada kemana semua orang...?
3.Apa yang akan mereka katakan kalau saat itu United kalah...?

Bagi Red Devilers yang ingin menjawab tidak dilarang, meskipun tingkat kevalidannya agak meragukan (ada sedikit Subjektif di situ kan.. hehehehe...)
Yang pertanyaan nomor satu juga subjektif Mas... kok pake kata-kata seluruh dunia... wkwkwkwk... kan perasaan situ aja. Lagian cuman ABU yang bilang gitu kok, ngapain kita mesti pusing?

Tapi kalo soal rataan waktu tambahan yang lebih banyak di OT, kan di artikel itu udah dijelasin bahwa rataan waktu tambahan di OT masih lebih rendah dibandingkan di Anfield, Emirates, ataupun Stamford Bridge. Masalahnya cuma Manchester United yang bisa mengonversikan keuntungan tersebut menjadi kemenangan atau mungkin hasil seri.

Lagipula statistik ini juga agak kurang valid karena hanya mengambil sampel dari musim 2006-07 saja. Padahal reputasi United sebagai pemenang di menit-menit akhir sudah jauh muncul lebih dahulu dari musim tersebut kan? Yang paling terkenal malah terjadi di Barcelona 99.
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Excellent Gravedigga. Straight to the point, law regulates the game.

I think the injury time "incident" @ old trafford last week was definitely not a disputable matter. The referee and his team of assistants had done his job well, in terms of keeping the time play to a "90 minutes" game. Graham Poll, in practical terms has also agreed on "6 minute" added time to the game. What makes me so positive that Manchester United won the game fair and square and to dismiss any unpleasant hear say that our beloved red devils had been somehow "assisted" just to won a game against our noisy neighbor, in addition to Law 7 of FIFA, is #page96 of the FIFA official booklet on the Laws of the Game 2009/2010 in paragraph3 of Allowance for Time Lost, which stipulates as follows:

"The announcement of the additional time does not indicate the exact amount of the time left in the match. The time may be increased if the referee considers it appropriate but never reduced."

Further, you may take a good close look at the paragraph2 of the same as follows:

"The fourth official indicates the minimum additional time decided by the referee at the end of the final minute of each of period play."



It is very clear that eventhough the forth official displayed a four minute time added-on, the referee, however, has the final decision to add additional time to the minimum additional time indicated by the fourth official by considering the occurrence of incidents during the game played at extra time.

There we go, a 90 minutes match, with thousands of drama. That is football, and you've got to love it.

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in addition to Law 7 of FIFA, is #page96 of the FIFA official booklet on the Laws of the Game 2009/2010 in paragraph3 of Allowance for Time Lost, which stipulates as follows:

"The announcement of the additional time does not indicate the exact amount of the time left in the match. The time may be increased if the referee considers it appropriate but never reduced."

Further, you may take a good close look at the paragraph2 of the same as follows:

"The fourth official indicates the minimum additional time decided by the referee at the end of the final minute of each of period play."

that's the point!
"the time may be increased!" nuff said!


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