[EPL] Arsenal 0 vs 0 Manchester United

[fredrian.seven]

Originally Posted by troy andreas

Nahh di atas sudah ane puji kan soal Sagna, kelewatan gak baca?.

twitt dari DT guardian:

Moyes reflecting on RVP's misses. "On another night he might have had a hat-trick." Rafael came off with concussion, he says.

Wenger now in. "We lost two points and we've missed an opportunity to go top but a point keeps us in the race."

Wenger: "We were nervous. We care about what we do and when we concede five goals, as we did on Saturday, we are only human beings"

Wenger: "One other positive is that a guy you have questioned had a good game."

Oh udah muji Sagna ya? Oh, aku nggak lihat tapi juga masalah udah muji atau nggak intinya delivery Arsenal >>>> United. Klo Rafael crossing sering melambung, klo Evra sering lemah. Klo Arsenal bisa tajam dan variatif.

Quote yang bagus dari Wenger," we are only human beings.".

[troy andreas]

Originally Posted by fredrian.seven

Oh udah muji Sagna ya? Oh, aku nggak lihat tapi juga masalah udah muji atau nggak intinya delivery Arsenal >>>> United. Klo Rafael crossing sering melambung, klo Evra sering lemah. Klo Arsenal bisa tajam dan variatif.

Quote yang bagus dari Wenger," we are only human beings.".

kalau capek ke page sebelum nih komentar ane soal Sagna:

Itu Sagna gak mau perpanjang kontrak di Arsenal kan, beli aja doi, defence berhasil meredam Mata- Evra/ Januzaj & Young plus sejumlah crossing yang oke.

Tadi geram sendiri Young maksa mau lewati Sagna, kalau Januzaj masih jauh skillnya untuk 1 on 1 dengan Sagna.

di thread "critism moyes tactics" ane sempat singgung soal tetap pertahankan gaya bertanding yang sama (baca crossing dari flank) walau tau pemain yang ada disana, semuanya lemah dalam urusan delivery. Jadi memang sejauh ini delivery Arsenal >>>> United memang masuk di akal, did i post different words?

[tukang-las]

Originally Posted by troy andreas

Arsenal attempted more crosses (21) than Man Utd (18). Defense kita juga lebih baik di match ini dibanding saat lawan Fulham lalu, masak mau mundur? trus kalau hasil buruk protes keras lagi, kapan move on-nya nih.

Bknnya mundur om,kan moyes sendiri yg ngomong bakal maen terus kaya kemaren,,dan dr awal kan ane jg bilang kita ada kemungkinan menang klo arsenal ga parkir bus dan kita maen kaya waktu lawan fulham..
Ternyata bener kan arsenal ga parkir bus,tp sayangnya kita kurang determinasi...

[wira_ozora]

Originally Posted by theater of dream

Mata juga gak terlalu bagus main nya malam ni, justru masuk nya Januzaj ngga bawa efek positif sama sekali..
Bad tactic ? Moyes sukses bikin permainan Arsenal jadi monoton, koordinasi lini tengah cukup baik syg aja individual perform pemain depan lagi kancrut, harus bisa 2 gol

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Moyes telat mainin Januzaj,,kalo masuk di awal 2nd half bisa beda hasil akhirnya.
Dibanding Valencia yg gampang kebaca,,lbh baik Januzaj.
Cuma dapet 5 poin dari 4 pertandingan,,ketinggalan 11 poin dari Liverpool.
Sampe di akhir musim MU gagal masuk zona UCL,, Moyes must OUT!

[theater of dream]

Originally Posted by wira_ozora

Moyes telat mainin Januzaj,,kalo masuk di awal 2nd half bisa beda hasil akhirnya.
Dibanding Valencia yg gampang kebaca,,lbh baik Januzaj.
Cuma dapet 5 poin dari 4 pertandingan,,ketinggalan 11 poin dari Liverpool.
Sampe di akhir musim MU gagal masuk zona UCL,, Moyes must OUT!

Lo bisa bilang Moyes telat memasukan Januzaj JIKA doi bermain bagus, main sebentar aja hampir gak ngelakuin apa2..
Januzaj talenta bagus perform nya bagus musim ini tapi tadi malam dia bermaina jelek, main di right flank posisi Valencia sebelumnya, Januzaj lebih banyak terisolasi dan hampir gak ada nyentuh bola, dan juga kurang membantu dalam bertahan dan intercept bola di area kanan

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[DeE_]

lagi2 ego moyes tetep pertahanin cara maen crossing lwt sayap bikin striker nganggur -_- ga da kreativitas di tengah, kalo masih jaman beckham kanan, giggs kiri n ada scholes si ya oke oke aja..crossing -> 90% gol

kalo skrg kayanya uda gampang kebaca banget, mana lebih banyak out ato miss..

Rvp juga selalu sndirian..mungkin ada bagusny rooney tandem lagi seperti sebelum2nya, meski di beri kebebasan buat menjelajah..lebih terisolasi banget kayanya rvp sndirian di depan..begitu dapet bola lsg dikeroyok bek.

Padahal banyak pemaen yg bisa di coba, tapi tetep kekeuh sama pilihan itu2 juga..
ane si lebih prefer 4-4-2 diamond ...
ya semoga ada pencerahan arah lebih baik..
buat posisi realistis aja dah..masuk europe dl taun ini

[fredrian.seven]

Originally Posted by wira_ozora

Moyes telat mainin Januzaj,,kalo masuk di awal 2nd half bisa beda hasil akhirnya.

Ya jelas beda. Klo lebih awal dimasukkan Januzaj bisa dapet 2 poin di FPL, bukan cuma 1 poin aja

Cuma dapet 5 poin dari 4 pertandingan,,ketinggalan 11 poin dari Liverpool.
Sampe di akhir musim MU gagal masuk zona UCL,, Moyes must OUT!

Monggo sekarang aja bilang MoyesOut. Lha udah selisih 11 poin, udah kecil kemungkinan masuk UCL.

[goodfron]

Originally Posted by wira_ozora

Moyes telat mainin Januzaj,,kalo masuk di awal 2nd half bisa beda hasil akhirnya.
Dibanding Valencia yg gampang kebaca,,lbh baik Januzaj.
Cuma dapet 5 poin dari 4 pertandingan,,ketinggalan 11 poin dari Liverpool.
Sampe di akhir musim MU gagal masuk zona UCL,, Moyes must OUT!

Telat masukin Januzaj? seberapa gede impact Januzaj semalam? kondisi permainan bagaimana semalam?

Kalo' dini hari tadi, mending punya Valencia daripada Mata.

*temen2 yang sering bilang pelatih/manajer salah strategi bolehlah sesekali belajar pegang tim futsal/sepak bola chapter-nya masing-masing kalo' ada event. Mulai dari pembentukan tim sampe' ndampingi tim pas turnamen. Mikirin segalanya tentang tim deh. Nah setelah itu baru teriak-teriak disini

Yang saya tebelin....
Sayangnya kemarin Ed Woodward sudah bilang, kalo' sampe' gak masuk zona Eropa, United bakalan melakukan pembelian di musim panas tahun ini diluar kebiasaan, bukan bilang Moyes out tapi pemainnya tetep dipertahankan.

[goodfron]

Originally Posted by DeE_

lagi2 ego moyes tetep pertahanin cara maen crossing lwt sayap bikin striker nganggur -_- ga da kreativitas di tengah, kalo masih jaman beckham kanan, giggs kiri n ada scholes si ya oke oke aja..crossing -> 90% gol

yakin mas dini hari tadi banyak crossing-nya? nonton langsung?
dini hari tadi United banyak improve dibanding match lawan Fulham. Kalaupun tidak harus main dari sayap trus harus darimana? tiki taka kek Barca ato Arsenal gitu? sejak kapan United kek gitu? SAF pun dengan pemain yg sama juga menganut faham "sayap garis keras". Cara mainnya masih sama koq. Bahkan Kagawa ada di sayap kiri sama persis sama yg dilakukan SAF

kalo skrg kayanya uda gampang kebaca banget, mana lebih banyak out ato miss..

Rvp juga selalu sndirian..mungkin ada bagusny rooney tandem lagi seperti sebelum2nya, meski di beri kebebasan buat menjelajah..lebih terisolasi banget kayanya rvp sndirian di depan..begitu dapet bola lsg dikeroyok bek.

2 musim terakhir masih sering nonton United kan? gak usah jauh-jauh sampe' pas ada Ronaldo deh. United patern-nya emang pake' 1 striker lho. Masih inget kisah Rooney ngambek gara2 lebih sering ditarik lebih ketengah? Seberapa sering United pake' formasi 2 striker 2 musim terakhir ini?

Padahal banyak pemaen yg bisa di coba, tapi tetep kekeuh sama pilihan itu2 juga..
ane si lebih prefer 4-4-2 diamond ...
ya semoga ada pencerahan arah lebih baik..
buat posisi realistis aja dah..masuk europe dl taun ini

Yakin banyak pilihan pemain? bisa disebutkan alternatif pilihannya?
pilihan pemain itu-itu saja... nah keluhan sampeyan bertolak belakang sama yang rame dimasalahin kebanyakan orang. Yang dikeluhkan kebanyakan orang malah, bagaimana bisa menang kalo formasinya ganti-ganti terus tiap pertandingan?
Coba dicek lagi deh... starting line up United musim ini

[zudomiriku]

Arsenal 0-0 Man United: Gunners' title bid veers off track as draw leaves them stranded in second

The biggest cheer of the night came with the news that trains north from Euston were cancelled due to the bad weather; but it is Arsenal who are stuck where they don’t want to be. Second.

This was an opportunity lost, and they knew it. Time was a goalless draw against Manchester United, in just about any circumstances, might have been considered a job well done. Not these days.

This is the team that was hit for four by Manchester City at the Etihad, and conceded three against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.

They are not the force of old, but an aging, wounded pack leader, once proud and virile, now there for the taking.

Head boy: Robin Van Persie directs the ball goalwards but was denied by a brilliant save


Stunning: Wojciech Szczesny was on hand to tip the ball on to the bar as Van Persie went for goal


Full stretch: Szczesny pulled off a spectacular save to keep the score level at the Emiirates

Arsenal weren’t up to it. Needing a win to go top, they had the best of the chances, but not the best chance; they had the bulk of the possession but not the most incisive moves.

David Moyes will be pleased with his away point, even if a passage of play in injury time in which the team went backwards despite having the ball in Arsenal’s half, drew frustration and fury from the away end that suggested the honeymoon is over. You don’t get stranded in London overnight to watch Manchester United settle.

They could have nicked it near the end, too, 10 minutes left when Michael Carrick mopped up and found Robin van Persie, his break feeding Wayne Rooney, who returned the favour with a sweet chip. Van Persie threw himself at the header but Wojciech Szczesny in Arsenal’s goal was equal to it, tipping the ball against the bar.

There was tension, but not much action, both teams fearing failure after poor results at the weekend. It made for a tame contest compared to meetings past. There was an advertising slogan on the perimeter of the pitch. ‘Great sport happens here,’ it read. Well, it used to.

Sir Alex Ferguson, up in the directors box, could have been forgiven for letting his mind wander back to the battles he has seen between these teams in north London. Not at the Emirates so often. Arsenal haven’t been the force of old since they moved here and the titanic battles – the one preceded by Roy Keane’s exchange with Patrick Vieira in the tunnel for instance – took place up the road at Highbury.

Misfiring: Olivier Giroud had a chance to win the game for Arsenal but the Frenchman was not able to convert


Inches: Giroud stretches in vain as he fails to make contact and Arsenal's chances of winning disappear


There she goes: the ball drifts past Giroud and the watching United goalkeeper David de Gea

Another time, another time, as Harold Pinter wrote of watching Sir Len Hutton in his youth. It wasn’t the ghosts that were so troubling here, but the shadows.

Players that are a pale comparison to their predecessors, some that now bear little comparison to their younger selves.

Arsenal are the better team this season and should have won, yet their superiority wasn’t emphatic. Any pleasure the travelling support will have felt at the final whistle will be tempered by the thought that they did not used to be euphoric about stalemate with Arsenal.

Chelsea versus Manchester City is the fixture now, it would seem. It has the old crackle of the old Arsenal-Manchester United games, the pre-match, post-match, verbal sparring between the managers, the thought that the title will be decided right here, tonight. Nobody bothers to pick a fight with Moyes. They probably feel sorry for him. All that time building a reputation and then in one season, going, going…

Well, not yet gone, but teetering. Having spent £37.1m on Juan Mata, to keep starting him wide is peculiar. Here, Mata was deployed on the left of what often ended up a midfield four, a puzzling decision considering Jose Mourinho claimed he had left Chelsea to play for United in his favourite position.

It is unlikely he had the Nani role in mind when that conversation took place. Rooney didn’t appear exactly delighted with covering Bacary Sagna on the occasions Mata had something better to do, either. It looked very much a work in progress.

Equally, why Adnan Januzaj has fallen to the substitutes’ bench remains a mystery. He was the one little gem mined from Moyes first season at Old Trafford, considering the transfer of Mata is yet to deliver more than a PR splash.

Change: Robin Van Persie had an early opportunity to open the scoring for the visitors but fluffed his lines


How did you miss? Van Persie rues his poor effort after blowing the chance to put Manchester United in front


Old friends: England manager Roy Hodgson and former Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson

Januzaj kept United going as senior players sank from view mid-season and his reward is to be treated as if he was the problem, replaced by the transfer window’s marquee name. It is not as if United look better without him.

There were too many mistakes. Passes went astray, moves built urgently but just as quickly fizzled out. Arsenal were equally culpable. They lacked penetration, pace, a sense of purpose. Moves were strung out square, the football played in front of United’s banked defences. Arsenal did not get in behind United often, and their best chances were misdirected headers from Olivier Giroud.

After three minutes, Jack Wilshere hustled his way past Nemanja Vidic, whose performances must improve if he is to increase his summer options having given up on United, and the ball was blocked by Chris Smalling for a corner. Curled in by Santi Cazorla, it was met by Giroud in a ridiculous amount of space considering Moyes’s reputation for stout defence, the Frenchman steering a free header wide.

The same happened after 64 minutes following a cross from Kieran Gibbs. The best Arsenal chance had come two minutes earlier when another Cazorla corner found Laurent Koscielny and looked goalbound, until Antonio Valencia rose to keep out the header with one of his own.

David de Gea saved twice from Cazorla late on, and again from Tomas Rosicky shot deflected by Vidic but considering the invitation afforded by Chelsea’s draw at West Bromwich Albion, this was ordinary stuff.

Still, it could have been worse. In the second minute Mikel Arteta almost set Van Persie up for an opening goal, caught in possession after a ball out from Szczesny.

Van Persie sprung on him like a big cat and chased through one on one, with Arsenal supporters fearing the worst, having seen the man finish from a similar position so many times in their own red shirt. But Manchester United’s key players have lost much of the old certainty since Sir Alex Ferguson stepped down, his last big signing among them.

Van Persie shot low, but too near Szczesny who smothered his attempt, comfortably. In another era, that would have gone in, and maybe a few more at each end, too; but it is a long way back from here, and not just due to storm delays at Euston, either.

Close shave: Antonio Valencia cleared Laurent Koscielny's effort off the line in the second half


Hurt: Rafael receives treatment after taking a knock and was later replaced by veteran Rio Ferdinand

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2557998/Arsenal-0-0-Man-United-Gunners-blow-chance-bore-draw.html