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zudomiriku 27-04-2017 09:28 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City vs Manchester United
Manchester United and City are fighting for scraps this Premier League season - no wonder Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola have been downbeat in the countdown to the derby

* Manchester United and Manchester City play in the Premier League on Thursday
* A win for United would see them go above their city rivals into the top four
* City cannot win a trophy this season while United have also missed expectations

Talking about the prospects of both Manchester clubs for the remainder of the season, Pep Guardiola said: ‘The team that fails less will go to the Champions League.’

It was an interesting angle to take at the business end of a season that we felt would hold so much for Guardiola’s Manchester City and the United side coached by Jose Mourinho, but it also felt about right.

For City, this season is no longer about achievement. It is about meeting minimum requirements after Guardiola labelled his debut season ‘not good’.

For United, too, we are hardly in hallelujah territory. Their season has a slightly more satisfactory ring about it, given that they were coming from further back, have won the EFL Cup and are in the last four of the Europa League.

Still, a tussle for fourth place in the Premier League is an unexpected battleground, one summed up by Mourinho when he spoke to the media on Wednesday.

Asked what it would mean to finish above City, Mourinho said: ‘Nothing. If you finish fifth and they finish sixth we are above them but it means nothing. If they finish third and we finish fourth they are above us but it means a lot.

‘This is not about Pep or City. This is about fighting for objectives. We want to try to play Champions League and we still have two doors open.’

Jose Mourinho's Manchester United could overtake City in the Premier League with a win

There were no Pep-Jose fireworks on Wednesday, though there may be on Thursday. We should not have been surprised, either.

These are two men who have met in a Champions League semi-final and fought over the La Liga title in Spain. Currently, they are competing for English football’s scraps and they are not used to it.

Guardiola said: ‘If you analyse the trophies, how many were we able to win this year? Zero. So it’s simple. If you analyse how many titles was good or not good, then the season was not good. It was not as good as I’d expect.’

The context of tonight’s game is straightforward. United have not been ahead of City in the Premier League since August and trailed them by as many as 10 points after 13 games of the season and by seven just over a month ago.

Victory for Mourinho’s side tonight, though, would move United into the top four and push City down to fifth.

It would represent a remarkable turnaround, even if United still have difficult-looking fixtures at Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal to come.



Manchester City (probable, 4-1-4-1): Bravo; Navas, Kompany, Otamendi, Clichy; Fernandinho; Sterling, Toure, De Bruyne, Sane; Aguero

Manchester United (probable, 4-2-3-1): De Gea; Valencia, Bailly, Blind, Darmian; Herrera, Carrick; Lingard, Fellaini, Young; Rashford

Kick-off: 8pm, Etihad Stadium
TV: LIVE on Sky Sports 1 from 7pm
Referee: Martin Atkinson
The Guardiola-Mourinho rivalry has not been fierce as both teams have disappointed

Both teams will suffer from absent players. City are waiting on a fitness report about their influential midfield player David Silva while United are without a clutch of players, most notably Paul Pogba and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

At the weekend Mourinho spoke controversially about his injured defenders Chris Smalling and Phil Jones, suggesting they should play through the pain to make themselves available. Neither will feature and Mourinho repeated himself, adding only that both would be given further opportunities under him in the future.

‘Of course,’ he said. ‘I hope this season. It’s not just about them. It’s about the philosophy and mentality around them. So we go into this game with the players we have.

‘Maybe opponents look at us with different eyes because we don’t have Zlatan and Paul and Rojo and Mata and Jones and Smalling. But I think they are not stupid, they are not naive and they know that we are going to give them a fight.’

United will begin as underdogs tonight and perhaps that’s right. They are away — Mourinho’s away record against Guardiola features just one victory — and their recent fixture programme has been gruelling, but which version of Guardiola’s City will we get?

The one that beat their neighbours impressively at Old Trafford in September or the one that failed to hold a lead against Arsenal in the FA Cup semi-final this last weekend? That may be definitive but the broader picture remains the same.

Guardiola joked that he and Mourinho ‘high-five’ when they pass in the street in Manchester. A ridiculous notion, not least because this is a season that has given neither men anything of great significance to celebrate.


kalo menang menggusur City, optimis finish posisi 3. kalo kalah, fokus finish posisi 4 aja bersaing dengan Pool

zudomiriku 27-04-2017 09:43 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City vs Manchester United
Jose Mourinho and Pep Guardiola will be disappointed with their Premier League campaigns... and Manchester City's attacking pace could prove too much for the United defence

* Manchester United face Manchester City on Thursday in the Premier League
* Both managers will not be too happy with how their seasons have gone so far
* Pep Guardiola cannot win a trophy and Jose Mourinho may miss the top four

At the start of the season we thought these two heavyweight managers would be battling it out for the title. Instead, they are fighting just to get in the top four.

Jose Mourinho will be cursing his luck with the injuries that his Manchester United squad have suffered, while Pep Guardiola will be coming to terms with the fact that this is his first season without a trophy.

Thursday night is Manchester City's chance to redress the balance. United head to the Etihad in better form but their punishing schedule and mounting injury woes could catch up with them.


United won at Burnley on Sunday with Eric Bailly and Daley Blind as centre backs in a makeshift defence.

Injuries have hit United particularly badly in this area and if they lose, Mourinho has a ready-made excuse. This Manchester City front line is the fastest anyone will face all season.

Blind is a clever player but he does not have the pace to live with the likes of Leroy Sane and Raheem Sterling. Bailly has a reputation for being quick but he and Blind will be tested to the limit.

Eric Bailly is a quick centre back but he will be tested by Raheem Sterling and Leroy Sane


While the injury crisis has grown at United, City have been given a massive boost with the return of Vincent Kompany.

He may have looked a little rusty against Arsenal in Sunday's FA Cup semi-final defeat but I was surprised by the Belgian's levels of fitness after being out for such a long time. At his peak, there are few better centre backs in the Premier League than Kompany.

Plenty of people have said he is the perfect partner for John Stones, so it is ironic that the England defender is out now that Kompany is back.


Where United can hurt City is with the pace of Marcus Rashford. Mourinho started the 19-year-old on the bench at Burnley, clearly with a view to unleashing him on City.

Nothing fazes this kid - he is the real deal. There is such flexibility to his play, but I expect him to start through the middle rather than out wide at the Etihad.

Rashford and Anthony Martial have not always been first choice for Mourinho but, given the injuries to the squad, he will be pleased to have them available. They could be the players who deliver success for Mourinho this season.

Where Manchester United can hurt Manchester City most is with the pace of Marcus Rashford




penk22_ 27-04-2017 03:37 PM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City vs Manchester United
Dobel gan @Riskur; , page 2 udah ada :D

adi_Giggsy 28-04-2017 05:32 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City vs Manchester United
saat ini kita menyaksikan sistem pertahanan yang kuat dari Mou, dulu bagi ane ini Parkir Bus dan tidak ane suka.

Strategi dan kejeniusan seorang pelatih terlihat dalam adu strategi seperti ini, dan kekonyolan seorang Fella membuat United kehilangan seorang pemain.

Waktu melatih chelsea ane sering maki-maki Mou gara-gara strategi ini. Tapi saat doi melatih inter dan bisa treble ane salut dengan kejeniusannya gan, walaupun musim ini baru sekedar the spesial draw hahaha

wira_ozora 28-04-2017 06:12 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City vs Manchester United
Hadeuhh...gagal kudeta posisi 4,,malah nyaris kalah di Etihad. Kacau bgd dari babak 1 ada 5 SoT dari City n MU cuma 1. Ga ada yg memutus aliran bola dari Toure n Fernandinho makanya Aguero cs gampang bgd lepaskan tembakan di kotak pinalti MU. Di ujung laga Fellaini malah red card,,jadilah MU makin ga bisa nyerang. Peluang finish 4 besar msh terbuka cz cm beda 1 n 2 poin sm City n Pool,,tapi MU harus lbh siap lagi di laga away vs Arsenal n Spurs.

penk22_ 28-04-2017 06:13 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City 0-0 Manchester United
Digempur habis2an dan untungna ada De Gea.

Gagal deh naik klasemen..

zudomiriku 28-04-2017 09:20 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City 0-0 Manchester United
Manchester City 0-0 Manchester United - PLAYER RATINGS: Henrikh Mkhitaryan suffers off night as Vincent Kompany produces big performance

* Pep Guardiola's side were dominant in second period but lacked a cutting edge
* Marouane Fellaini was shown a straight red card for a wild headbutt on Aguero

Ten-man Manchester United held on for a point as rivals City were unable to capitalise late on after Marouane Fellaini's sending off at the Etihad Stadium.

Sergio Aguero hit the foot of a United post in the first half before Ander Herrera missed a free header, but chances were few and far between before Fellaini's moment of madness.

Having picked up a booking, Fellaini dived into another challenge on Aguero 19 seconds later, before throwing his head into the face of the Argentine to receive a straight red card.

After a typically high-octane clash in the fight for a top-four finish, Sportsmail's JACK GAUGHAN was on hand to assess the performances of those on show.



Made a few comfortable saves when he needed to. Confident with his feet and good distribution.

Ecuadorian full-back Antonio Valencia was another dependable presence in United's defence


Quiet in an attacking sense but that was largely down to United's game plan. Sane barely got any joy so job done in that sense.


Strong night for the Ivorian. No-nonsense, Bailly keeps it simple and has a huge last ditch tackle in his locker.

Defender Eric Bailly was kept busy by a dominant City side as he slides in on Leroy Sane


Reads the game imperiously but is susceptible in behind, as Aguero showed when wriggling free.


Sterling didn't really get in behind despite driving with the ball. Quickly passed on possession and didn't venture forward.


Derbies are Herrera's bag and the Spaniard was terrier-like in midfield. Niggled away at City.


Manfully stuck to De Bruyne throughout. No mean feat given the Belgian looked in menacing mood.


Ridiculous red card. Two stupid fouls and then a deserved sending off for a petulant headbutt. Irresponsible reaction and had barely contributed beforehand either.


As Jose Mourinho's alluded to, he needs to start producing consistently. Passive again and that will be a worry.


Really lively with a couple of lovely tricks. Rashford was the most likely for United but appeared isolated.


Always has his moments - and tracked back admirably at times - but Rashford needed more support from wide areas.

Forward Anthony Martial was given the nod by Jose Mourinho on the left wing at the Etihad


JESSE LINGARD (for Martial, 80)
TIMOTHY FOSU-MENSAH (for Mkhitaryan, 86) ASHLEY YOUNG (for Rashford, 90)

Manager: JOSE MOURINHO - 6.5

Wanted to stifle City for as long as possible and managed that by and large.


Misses an awful lot for a FIFA referee. Seemed to upset everybody inside the Etihad equally.



fredrian.seven 28-04-2017 09:31 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City 0-0 Manchester United
Kalah kualitas pemain dan kalah permainan. :hammer:

zudomiriku 28-04-2017 09:34 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City 0-0 Manchester United
Marouane Fellaini showed why Manchester United miss Paul Pogba... but Vincent Kompany is back to his no-nonsense best for Manchester City

* Manchester United held rivals City to a goalless draw on Thursday night
* Marouane Fellaini was sent off after a headbutt on Sergio Aguero
* Neither side were at their best in a bid to strengthen their top four hopes

Manchester United held close rivals Manchester City to a goalless draw at the Etihad Stadium on Thursday as they kept their top four hopes alive.

Jose Mourinho's side were reduced to 10 men near the end after Marouane Fellaini headbutted Sergio Aguero in a game of few clear-cut chances.

Here. Sportsmail columnist Martin Keown picks out the key talking points over the 90 minutes...


Marouane Fellaini received a straight red card for a headbutt on Sergio Aguero. The Belgian midfielder protests his sending off to the fourth official on the touchline

With Paul Pogba out injured, Manchester United lacked balance in their midfield.

Marouane Fellaini does not have the legs to do what Pogba does and there was no link between the midfield and the attack.

Late on, Fellaini did not show any intelligence when he put his head into Sergio Aguero. These are the games where you need to keep your head but Fellaini seems unable to turn his back on a fight.

Jose Mourinho changes his tactics for every big game and on Thursday night was happy for Manchester City to have the ball and hit them on the break.

Marcus Rashford has frightening pace but was isolated, touching the ball just twice in City’s penalty area.

He needed Anthony Martial to stay closer to him higher up the pitch but he kept getting dragged back by Pablo Zabaleta.

Manchester United striker Marcus Rashford was left isolated during the game. The teenager touched the ball just twice in the opposition's penalty area

Raheem Sterling is like a gymnast who dazzles with flips and turns but doesn’t land properly.

For all his swerves and moves, Sterling had no power in his finish last night. While Sterling’s finishing has improved this season, he still has work to do.


After using the last couple of games to dust off the cobwebs, Vincent Kompany was back to his no-nonsense best on Thursday night.

He looked sharp. Kompany swats forwards away and did so with Marcus Rashford.

With Yaya Toure making marauding runs in midfield, too, it was as if City had turned back time!

If City let Toure go in the summer there will be clubs queueing up to sign him — and Arsenal should be one of the teams looking to bring him in.


Sergio Aguero has not seemed as dynamic or ruthless this season.

Pep Guardiola has been spoiled during his managerial career with the likes of Lionel Messi and Robert Lewandowski up front. He is used to players putting the ball in the back of the net.

Of the top six goalscorers in the Premier League this season, Aguero has the second-worst shot conversion rate. The striker had nine attempts last night — his most without finding the net in a Premier League match. It remains to be seen whether Guardiola deems Aguero good enough in the long run.



zudomiriku 28-04-2017 09:45 AM

Re: [EPL] Manchester City 0-0 Manchester United
Manchester derby was a sideshow instead of the Premier League's main title bout despite the late fireworks

* Thursday's Manchester derby ended as a goalless draw at the Etihad Stadium
* Marouane Fellaini was sent off for a headbutt on Sergio Aguero
* Both sides are locked in a battle to finish in the top four this season

At the end, after a final opposition assault crashed on the rocks of their team’s obstinate defence, the supporters of Manchester United greeted a goalless draw and the accompanying point with the swirling of scarves and the singing of songs.

This after a game to which their team had contributed almost nothing at all.

Welcome to Manchester football in April 2017. One team not confident enough to go after a game they really needed to win, the other not good enough to take advantage of what at times resembled an open red door.

It is not as simple as that, of course. Jose Mourinho’s United are down on numbers and down on energy. They have several big games still to come.

Maybe Mourinho thinks that Liverpool – currently in third place in the Premier League – will throw enough points overboard between now and the season’s end to let both Manchester clubs in to the Champions League places.

Anyone seeing Liverpool play recently may think that he is right.

Or maybe, with games at Arsenal and Tottenham on the horizon, the United manager believes the hill to be too steep anyway.

Maybe the Europa League – with United at the semi final stage – represents a more likely path in to Europe and, as such, this was a night to preserve emotional energy and an unbeaten league record that now stands at 24 games.

So, no, it is not as simple as all that but what is undisputed is that United’s approach to this night of football made for a very peculiar spectacle indeed.

Only the late sending-off of Marouane Fellaini and a disallowed City goal breathed any sense of life or occasion in to it at all.

We have seen many things on derby day in recent seasons but we have rarely seen anything like this, a derby with only one team playing.

It is not unusual to see Mourinho teams defend in big games and the Portuguese will doubtless argue that injury had robbed him of the players he needed to try and dominate this match.

So, yes, maybe we should have expected a bespoke Mourinho performance. Close it down and then chase hard for a victory on the counter towards the end.

Midfielder Ander Herrera missed a headed chance for United in the first half of the game

Except we didn’t really get that. We just got the first bit.

As City began to run out of any ideas they may have had earlier, this was a game that seemed ready made for a late dart at unlikely glory by United. We have seen it so many times before.

But even before Fellaini’s red card rendered the closing moments of the game so naturally one-side, United were showing absolutely no urgency.

They were walking towards free-kicks, dawdling over corners and seemed utterly disinclined to place any pressure on City’s substitute goalkeeper Willy Caballero.

Before half-time, the contest was equally one-sided but United did create two very good chances.

Claudio Bravo saved from Henrikh Mkhitaryan and Ander Herrera headed wide at the far post.

This appeared to hint at possibilities for United late in the game. Maybe there would be some vulnerability at the back end against a City team that looked out on its feet after a 120-minute FA Cup semi-final defeat to Arsenal at Wembley on Sunday.

But if United’s players sense any opportunity then they didn’t chase it and almost certainly their reticence came on the back of clear instruction from the sidelines.

As the second half wore on, United’s record goal scorer Wayne Rooney remained on the bench and that told us everything about his future employment prospects in this parish and indeed the scope of United’s ambition.

So United went home with their pride and their unbeaten league record intact. Mourinho’s derby record in this first Old Trafford season reads a defeat, a win and a draw and he would have taken that at the start of a campaign many expected would herald the start of a City precession under Pep Guardiola.

Here, though, we watched two very underwhelming teams indeed. City were the better, of that there is no doubt.

They created some good chances but Sergio Aguero bookended the game by missing two of his own – one against the post and one wide – and that pretty much summed the thing up.

Watching it all unfold – or not unfold as the case may be – it was tempting to think back to a big game that took place here five years ago next week.

That ended City 1 United 0 and edged the home team towards their first Premier League title.

Here we were, half a decade and millions of pounds later, and this was a shoot-out for fourth place, not first. A look at the teams from that day and from this suggested little between them. Indeed, the City team of 2012 was perhaps a little stronger.

So that, and indeed the football we had to sit through last night, is indicative of how both these clubs have got as much wrong as they have right since the days we thought the top of the Premier League would flash red and sky blue for the rest of time.

A final thought is that two of City’s back four last night were bought by Mark Hughes, three managers ago. City did have a back four last night, by the way. They were the players not sweating much at the end.



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