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post berita2x unik, lucu, menarik or apa aja deh seputar sepak bola yang gak bisa masuk thread laennya .......

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Originally Posted by 13_GIE Sung Park (Post 171096)

Gue gk tau niy apa ada thread yg kyk gini juga....
Klo ada gabung aja ye....
Heheheh

Bgini menurut lu semua judul thread ini bener gk??
Like Father NOT Like Son...
Maksud gue jika ada seorang atlet yg namanya sangat besar...
Anaknya blm tentu atau hmpir pasti tidak akan sebesar sang ayah....

Contohny OUR LEGENDS....
Dh ada 2 kn yg anaknya gk sebesar ayahnya??
Menurut yg laen gimana??
Peace....

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Originally Posted by El Diego (Post 171117)

paolo maldini pastinya lebih besar daripada cesare maldini (cesare salah satu legend di Milan dimasa lampau), hehehehhee......
geovani dos santos pastinya skrg merintis utk lebih besar dr sang ayah ZIZINHO (salah satu pemain besar di brazil).......
Gianluigi Buffon lebih besar namanya drpd Lorenzo Buffon (yg juga kiper timnas italy).......

tp memang sih biasanya yg jadi jenderal itu anak petani, dan anak jenderal biasanya jd pengusaha! apa cobaaaaa!!!!!!

heheehhee......ok lah sok dilanjut, sorry cm bs ngasih cth aja, hehehhee!!!!!

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Originally Posted by 13_GIE Sung Park (Post 171147)

Bener brodiego...
Tp maksud gue gini...
Klo ayahnya namanya tll besar...
Anaknya gk sanggup d buat gantiin...
Ntah beban mental atau apa lha....

Byk juga yg anaknya lebihbesar dr ayahnya,tp Ayahnya gk besar bgt2an...

Maradona,Michael Jordan(sorry bukan dr bola),Schemy,Teddy Sheringham,Johan Cruyyf...

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Originally Posted by kilt****er (Post 171175)

anaknya Pele malah jadi kiper. udah gitu bermasalah pula: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edson_Cholbi_Nascimento

jordi cruyff sempet populer tapi ga setenar bokapnya.

shaun wright philis juga anaknya ian wright, tapi anak angkat sih. sementara anak kandungnya ian wright sendiri ga kedengeran. si bradley wright-philips. yg terakhir juga bermasalah, dituduh nyolong:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle892367.ece

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Re: Like Father (Not) Like Son??

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Originally Posted by rondwisan (Post 446801)

Skysports.com looks at
the Top Ten Footballing Father and Sons

Following Nigel Clough's appointment as Derby boss, skysports.com looks at the Top Ten Footballing Father and Sons.

Brian and Nigel Clough

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The late Brian Clough remains a legend. As a player, he was a prolific goalscorer for his hometown club Middlesbrough and also North East rivals Sunderland. As a manager, he was eulogised. Controversial, yet absorbingly charismatic, he enjoyed terrific success. His achievement of lifting back-to-back European Cups with Nottingham Forest was a remarkable feat. His son, Nigel, graced Forest during his playing days, also proving lethal in front of goal. He had spells at Liverpool and Manchester City before taking up a player-manager role at Burton Albion. He spent 11 years at Pirelli Stadium, lifting the side to the Blue Square Premier and also famously holding Manchester United in the FA Cup. Nigel recently took over at Championship club Derby County.

Cesare and Paolo Maldini

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Cesare Maldini was an uncompromising centre-half. The Italian played out the majority of his career at AC Milan, tallying over 300 appearances. He represented his country at the 1962 and 1966 World Cups. The former defender coached the Italian Under 21 side for 10 years before he was appointed manager of the senior side. Cesare, who has also coached Paraguay, led Italy to the 1998 World Cup, with the team captained by his son, Paolo, at the time. Paolo has spent the whole of his career at AC Milan. He is also the most capped player for the Italian national team with 126 appearances. Paolo, whose son Christian currently plays for Milan's youth side, has had outstanding success at Stadio Giuseppe Meazza. He has lifted seven Serie A titles and also captained Milan to European Cup glory in 2003, 40 years after his father had achieved the same feat.

Harry and Jamie Redknapp

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The much-travelled Harry Redknapp began his playing career at West Ham United and made 149 top flight appearances for the Hammers. He then moved to South Coast side Bournemouth. Harry went on to coach the Cherries in 1983, and spent nine years in charge before heading back to his beloved West Ham, where he helped bring through a number of talented Englishman, including his nephew Frank Lampard. Harry then managed Portsmouth, before moving to bitter rivals Southampton and then making a shock return to Fratton Park. He lifted the FA Cup with Pompey in 2008 and has since taken over at Tottenham Hotspur. Jamie, meanwhile, has yet to venture into management following a successful playing career at Liverpool. The former England international also spent time at Bournemouth, Tottenham and Southampton and is now a television pundit for Sky Sports.

Peter and Kasper Schmeichel

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One of the world's greatest goalkeepers, Peter Schmeichel was an imposing figure between the sticks. The 6ft 4in Dane made his name at Manchester United, where he recorded 292 appearances. Amongst his many, many highlights, Peter lifted five Premier League titles and also captained the side during their 1999 UEFA Champions League success. His son, Kasper, is currently 22-years-old and is also a shot-stopper. In 2002, Kasper signed a long-term contract with Manchester City - his father's final club before retirement. The young keeper has struggled to make an impact at Eastlands, and has spent much of his short career on loan away from the club. Kasper has demonstrated glimpses of his father's ability, but has a long way to go if he is to mirror Peter's marvellous time as a player.

Johan and Jordi Cruyff

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Johan Cruyff was a glorious footballer. The Dutchman enjoyed superb success, beginning his career at Ajax, where he was classy and composed in front of goal. A switch to Barcelona soon beckoned, while he shone on the international stage. Embodied by 'Total Football', Johan was named European Footballer of the Year on three occasions. Johan, remembered for his brilliant 'Cruyff turn' also enjoyed impressive success as a manager, thriving in charge of Ajax and then Barcelona. His son, Jordi, started out at Barcelona, and Johan handed him his Primera Division debut in 1994. Jordi signed for Manchester United in 1996 and, while he shone in flashes, his time at Old Trafford was disrupted by injury. Jordi's final club was Metalurh Donetsk. On the international stage, Jordi played for both the Catalan XI and the Netherlands.

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Originally Posted by rondwisan (Post 446809)

lanjuuuutttttttt ..........
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Alex and Darren Ferguson

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Sir Alex Ferguson is arguably one of the best managers in the history of world football. The fiery Scot, who was a striker during his playing days, represented a number of clubs, including Rangers, Dunfermline Athletic and Falkirk. His first coaching job came at East Stirlingshire before he headed to St Mirren and then Aberdeen, where he won several trophies. He took over at Manchester United in 1986, although the early stages of his tenure saw him come under weighty pressure. But a decisive FA Cup triumph over Forest proved a turning point. His unbelievable glory at United, including two Champions League trophies merely scratches the surface of his success. Darren Ferguson has much to live up to. Darren started out at United and his father handed him his debut in 1990. He later transferred to Wolves and then Wrexham. He landed his first managerial post in 2007 at Peterborough United. In his first full season at the helm he guided the club to promotion to League One.

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Frank and Frank Lampard

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Frank Lampard senior is hailed as a West Ham legend. The gifted left-back tallied over 500 appearances for the Hammers, while he lifted two FA Cup trophies. He managed two England caps and also had a spell at Southend United before announcing his retirement in 1986. From 1994 to 2001 he returned to West Ham to serve as assistant manager under his brother-in-law, Harry Redknapp. Frank Lampard senior is currently a football consultant to Watford manager Brendan Rodgers. Frank Lampard junior is a sharp-shooting midfielder for Chelsea. He also started at West Ham and spent seven years at Upton Park. In 2001 he signed for Chelsea for a fee of £11million. He has proved a superb success at Stamford Bridge and is the club's highest scoring midfielder. He has claimed two Premier League titles with the Blues, and also an FA Cup trophy. Lampard is a regular international for England.

Kenny and Paul Dalglish

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An outstanding player and manager, Kenny Dalglish claimed glory on and off the field. Kenny was a prolific goalscorer, netting over 100 goals in both the English and Scottish leagues. He averaged an impressive goal ever 1.6 games for Celtic. After his time with the Hoops, he moved to Liverpool for a then record £440,000 transfer fee. Dalglish shone at Anfield, lifting numerous trophies. The former Scotland international then became player-manager of the club and guided them to their first ever 'double'. Kenny then famously usurped Manchester United in the race for the Premier League title while at Blackburn, and also enjoyed a period in charge of Newcastle. Paul Dalglish was signed by his father for the Magpies. Paul has played for several clubs, with his most recent, Kilmarnock, proving to be his final side before retirement.

Steve and Alex Bruce

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Steve Bruce was turned down by a number of clubs, including Newcastle United, Sunderland, Derby County and Southport, before he was handed the break he desired. Gillingham offered him an apprenticeship, and he went on to play more than 200 games for the club before joining Norwich City in 1984. In 1987, he signed for Manchester United, with whom he achieved great success, winning the Premier League, the FA Cup and the League Cup. The former defender captained the Red Devils to a 'double' but was never selected to play for England. Steve began his managerial career with Sheffield United, and spent short periods of time managing Huddersfield Town, Wigan Athletic and Crystal Palace before joining Birmingham City in 2001. He twice led Birmingham to promotion to the Premier League during his tenure of nearly six years, but resigned in 2007 to begin a second spell as manager of Wigan. His son, Alex, plays for Ipswich Town. The Republic of Ireland international previously played under his father's management at Birmingham City, but left the club in 2006, in part due to accusations of nepotism levelled at his father. The 24-year-old has 11 Championship appearances for Ipswich so far this season.

Miguel and Jose Reina

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Goalkeeper Miguel Reina played for Cordoba CF, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid, and also recorded five caps for Spain. He reached the European Cup in 1974, but his side, Atletico, drew their first meeting with Bayern Munich and ultimately lost the rematch. His son, Jose, followed in his father's footsteps by becoming a top shot-stopper. Jose began his career with Barca and then signed for Villarreal. Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez swooped for Reina in 2005, with the Spanish tactician labelling his compatriot as 'the best goalkeeper in Spain'. Jose has since landed the Premier League's Golden Glove award three times, while also breaking the Reds' consecutive clean sheet record with 11 successive stop-outs between October and December 2005. Jose has lifted the FA Cup with Liverpool, while he is renowned for his ability to deny from spot-kicks.

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Guru vs Murid :')

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Originally Posted by rondwisan (Post 94387)

thread ini diilhami laga Manchester United vs Sunderland ntar malem di Old Trafford
meski Oom Keano bukan murid pertama nyang akan menghadapi sang Suhu, Sir opa Alex
sebelumnya udah ada Robbo, Sparky ama Bruce ...

but kok United semua yaa ...

adakah match nyang mempertemukan Guru dan Muridnya di luar United ...
mestinya ada yaa ...

hayuu hayuu ..., sapa nyang bisa kasih info, share di sini yaa ...
gw ndiri blom kepikiran sapa nih ..., secara gak terlalu intent ngikutin liga2x laen di luar EPL :wew

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Originally Posted by Stepney (Post 94496)

arrigo sacchi vs carlo ancelloti??
am i right??
ottmar hitzfield vs andreas moller??
trappantoni vs ancelotti

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Originally Posted by rondwisan (Post 94778)

hihihi ...
gw juga kagak ngeh Bro Ucup ...
bisa ditambahin masing2x pas pegang club apa yaa ....

mestina emang nyang satu udah kudu senior banget yaa ...

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Originally Posted by Andreas_Gautama07 (Post 94936)

Fabio Capello vs Ancelotti(Juve v Milan). Kalo gak salah yg 1 jadi pelatih(Capello) yg 1 lagi masih jadi pemain(Ancelotti). Selain itu Frank Rjikaard vs Ancelotti(Barca vs Milan) and Roberto Donadoni vs Ancelotti(waktu itu Donadoni masih di Messina and sempet kalahin Milan 2-0:wew).

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Originally Posted by rondwisan (Post 326652)

Murid yang Belum Bisa Lampaui Guru
Arya Perdhana, detiksport - 17/12/2008 11:26 WIB

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Jakarta - Konon, seorang murid biasanya akan jauh lebih hebat ketimbang gurunya. Tetapi ujar-ujar itu tampaknya tidak (belum?) berlaku dalam konteks kepelatihan di Liga Inggris.

Yang dimaksud adalah tentang Sir Alex Ferguson. Layaknya seorang guru, sudah cukup banyak 'murid' hasil didikan manajer Manchester United itu yang mentas dan mengikuti jejaknya menjadi arsitek sebuah tim.

Murid-murid Fergie yang sukses mentas kebanyakan adalah mantan pemain asuhannya seperti Mark Hughes, Bryan Robson, Paul Ince, Roy Keane dan Steve Bruce. Pengecualian adalah Steve McClaren yang mantan asistennya.

Namun hingga kini, belum ada satupun murid Fergie yang bisa dihitung sukses. Menyamai pencapaian sang suhu adalah hal yang sangat sulit dilakukan karena nyaris semua dari mereka seret prestasi.

Yang terakhir dicap gagal adalah Ince. Pemain yang ketika bermarkas di Old Trafford menjuluki dirinya sebagai The Guv'nor alias 'Sang Gubernur' itu di-PHK Blackburn Rovers karena klubnya terdampar di posisi kedua terbawah Premiership.

Barangkali Ince demam panggung. Pasalnya, sebelumnya pria 41 tahun itu hanya menangani klub non Liga Utama seperti Macclesfield Town dan Milton Keynes Dons.

Ince menyusul Roy Keane yang mundur dari Sunderland kurang dari dua pekan lalu, juga akibat kegagalan memoles klubnya. Padahal Keano cukup menjanjikan karena di musim debutnya membesut The Black Cats, ia membawa klub kota pelabuhan itu menjuarai Championship Division sekaligus promosi ke Premier League.

Kehebatan Keano semasa menjadi pemain nyaris tak berbekas ketika melatih. Gelar istimewa sebagai kapten tersukses dalam sejarah Manchester United ternyata tak otomatis membuat pria Irlandia itu sukses ketika banting setir jadi pelatih.

Kisah Keane setali tiga uang dengan Robson. Karir Robson, pemain terlama yang pernah menyandang ban kapten The Red Devils, juga masih belum mengilat. Ia hanya sempat menangani klub-klub semenjana seperti Middlesbrough, Bradford, West Bromwich dan terakhir Sheffield United.

Robbo, sapaan Robson, juga kering pencapaian. Prestasi terbaiknya adalah sekali membawa Boro runner-up Divisi Satu, sekali runner-up Piala FA dan satu runner-up Piala Liga.

Satu lagi mantan kapten Manchester United yang gagal adalah Steve Bruce. Dari deretan klub-klub yang pernah ditanganinya, hanya Wigan dan Birmingham yang namanya sudah cukup kedengaran. Sisanya? Medioker. Prestasi? Nol besar.

Yang agak mendingan barangkali adalah McClaren. Eks asisten Fergie di era 1999-2001 itu cukup sukses menghela Middlesbrough menjuarai Piala Liga 2004 dan menjadi runner-up Piala UEFA 2006.

McClaren lantas naik pangkat dengan menjadi manajer timnas Inggris pasca kegagalan Sven Goran Eriksson pada tahun 2006. Namun The Three Lions gagal lolos ke Euro 2008 dan Macca lantas kehilangan pekerjaannya. Kini Macca menjadi arsitek klub Belanda, Twente Enschede.

Ada satu lagi nama yang belum bisa dicap gagal yakni manajer Manchester City Mark Hughes. Meski demikian, Hughes juga tak bisa dibilang aman. Sudah mendatangkan pemain berharga mahal, nyatanya eks penyerang andalan Fergie itu masih belum bisa mengangkat City ke jajaran elit.

Bisa dibilang, Hughes tinggal menunggu waktu untuk didepak dari The City of Manchester dan bergabung dengan Keane cs di daftar murid Fergie yang gagal.

Cerita kegagalan para murid Fergie itu cukup ironis karena tampaknya mereka gagal untuk menyerap ilmu dari sang suhu yang kerap disebut-sebut sebagai manajer terbaik dunia itu.

Ferguson yang pernah menggadang-gadang Keane sebagai suksesornya bila suatu saat ia tak lagi jadi manajer Manchester United pun mengaku situasi bagi para manajer muda itu sangatlah sulit.

"Manajer muda datang dan pergi. Orang bilang si ini akan jadi manajer Inggris atau bos di klub ini itu. Tetapi dua tahun kemudian mereka sudah tak ada di sana. Ini bukanlah lingkungan yang mudah, saya tak mau meramal apapun," terang pria yang sudah memanajeri Manchester United selama 22 tahun itu.

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Originally Posted by El Diego (Post 326667)

Kayanya murid2 arigo sacchi dan fabio capello lebih berbobot deg drpd murid2 SAF.....

Frank Rijkaard
Ruud Gullit
Marco vAN basten
Carlo ancelloti
Roberto Donadoni

lebih berbobot deh drpd murid2 SAF yg jadi pelatih2 gagal semua, kekekeke........

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Re: Guru vs Murid :')

:gos hehehehe ..., orang sono juga masih percaya nyang gini2x yaa .... :gos
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Are Fergie's proteges cursed? :gila :gila
MEN, James Robson - 17/12/2008

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IT is fast becoming the curse of Old Trafford. :gubrax

Fitting then that the fatal blow to Paul Ince's short-lived tenure as Blackburn manager should be dealt by the one man who has so far proved impervious to the hex on former United players.

Steve Bruce's Wigan inflicted a sixth consecutive defeat on Blackburn on Saturday. And it proved the final straw for an Ewood Park hierarchy that got too twitchy for Ince's good after seeing Rovers fall from seventh to 19th in the Premier League since taking a chance on the ex-Macclesfield and MK Dons manager.

At this rate Mark Hughes will be sitting very uncomfortably at Manchester City.

In the space of a year he has watched as a once overflowing list of ex-United employees, who were seen as potential successors to Sir Alex Ferguson, has been whittled down to virtually none.

An impressive shortlist that at the beginning of last season included Roy Keane, Hughes, Ince, Carlos Queiroz and Steve McClaren, is now just short.

Pressures

And, with City now on the precipice of the relegation zone, Hughes himself may also be on the edge.

Should Sheikh Mansour lose patience with Hughes then there really will be genuine credence given to the Old Trafford hoodoo.

Keane resigned at the start of the month, failing to cope with the pressures of management, while Ince was given the bullet for failing to cope with the rigours of top-flight football.

Before them Bryan Robson's promising start at Middlesbrough and miracle work at West Brom was punctuated with failures at Bradford and Sheffield United.

McClaren's rapid ascent from Ferguson's number two to England manager, via Middlesbrough, soon came crashing with him now banished to Holland, where he is rebuilding his career at FC Twente.

Meanwhile, Queiroz' form with the Portugal national team is only supporting the theory that he is a lieutenant rather than a commander.

Even further back, Brian Kidd's lofty reputation when branching out on his own at Blackburn was soon sullied.

Where as United were once spoilt for choice when it came to selecting Ferguson's successor, now they are finding the choice merely spoilt.

Curse :mereh

The evidence of curse is compelling - but the curse is not one of ex-United employees, rather the managerial business as a whole.

The sack race is not particular to those with a link to Old Trafford - it is endemic throughout the world of football.

It is a self-perpetuating curse only exacerbated by chairmen hell-bent on appointing men that are patently unqualified for the post and then being too quick to pull the rug from under them at the first sign of danger.

True, Ince's record at Blackburn presents little argument for him not being shown the door yesterday. But he was guilty, primarily, of being given his first job in the Premier League long before he was ready.

While he was applauded for earning his stripes at Macclesfield and MK Dons, less than two years in management hardly qualified him for the Blackburn post. Particularly when someone like Sam Allardyce was out of work at the time.

As impressive as Ince's record had been in steering Macc off the foot of League Two and then earning promotion with MK Dons, it was no better than, say, Dave Penney at Doncaster.

Penney led Doncaster from the Conference to League One and almost to the Championship.

His reward for that? A move to Darlington.

There wasn't so much as a flicker of interest from the Premier League.

But then a former bricklayer is not nearly as sexy an option as an ex-England captain.

Of course, Ince is no less qualified for the Blackburn job now than he was when he was paraded in front of the media at with so much fanfare in June.

Deep end

Likewise Keane, for all the coaching badges he'd completed, was thrown in at the deep end at Sunderland, just as Robson was at Middlesbrough and Bruce at Birmingham.

And of those veterans of Ferguson's all-conquering side of 1994, it is Bruce more than anyone who has proven his longevity in management.

Operating at the lower reaches of the Premier League and upper end of the Championship, he has done commendable work with Birmingham and Wigan but nothing that would single him out as a future United manager.

Which is why it was so ridiculous that he should be considered well behind the likes of Keane as a potential successor to Ferguson.

Hughes' career has also headed in one direction thus far, but should City lose patience with him then it will raise serious question marks about his ability to manage at the highest level.

Should Queiroz fail with Portugal, then they can be added to Real Madrid in a growing list of evidence that suggests he will never go beyond the role of No 2 at United.

But should McClaren's resurgence in Holland continue at pace, then by time Ferguson stands down, his former assistant could be an unlikely name in the frame.

Whoever Ferguson's successor is, United will do well to find someone with a spotless record. Which is why it would be foolhardy to rule out Keane and Ince after just one setback so early in their careers.

After all, even Ferguson was sacked - by St Mirren in 1978.

And that didn't turn out too bad for him.

Dani Jarque...Adios Amigo....

La Liga kembali kehilangan pemainnya
Dani Jarque karena serangan jantung...

thread ini didedikasikan untuk menghormati Kapten Espanyol itu....

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