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Old 07-01-2011, 06:47 AM   #1
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Default NATURALISASI Pemain ( Mendongkrak Prestasi atau ... )

Misi Om Mimin/momod ato Om Admin mau belajar nulis nih... kalo tidak berkenan ya monggo di merger aja...he.he.he...
trima kasih....

Fenomena Naturalisasi pemain di dunia sepakbola saat ini menjadi perbincangan yang cukup unik,banyak terjadi Pro dan Kontra,banyak yang menganggap itu cara instan untuk mendongkrak suatu tim meraih prestasi di sisi lain cara tersebut akan menenggelamkan nama-nama pemain produk lokal suatu negara itu sendiri..
Banyak contoh negara- negara lain yang melakukan naturalisasi pemain, di Asia contohnya Singapura ( 3x juara piala AFF ) Filipina ( dulu di anggap sebelah mata, sekarang patut di perhitungkan ) Bahkan di Eropa pun Naturalisasi menjadi solusi kebutuhan Timnas, Italia membutuhkan striker, akhirnya menaturalisasi Carvalho Amauri ( Brazil ), Jerman, begitu banyak pemain yang lahir di luar negara tersebut yang menghuni skuad utama Timnas tersebut.
Jadi, menurut anda wajarkah Naturalisasi pemain sebagai cara instan untuk mendongkrak suatu prestasi?
Bagaimana dengan nasib pemain-pemain lokal?
Bagaimana dengan pembinaan pemain muda?
Ingat, Malaysia menjadi Juara piala AFF 2010 dan meraih emas Sea Games dengan mengandalkan pembinaan pemain muda tanpa naturalisasi.
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:40 AM   #2
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klo gak salah Wak Diego udah pernah melemparkan issue mengenai masalah naturalisasi yaa ...
blom sempet hunting sih ..., dimana kah gerangan berada threadnya ...
lanjut dulu aja deh ...
sumonggo ...

klo menurut gw sih ...
naturalisasi 'terkadang' emang dibutuhkan sebagai booster ...
jika emang selama ini 'begitu-begitu' saja ..., apa salahnya klo bisa naturalisasi ...
yah skb lah ... syarat dan ketentuan berlaku ...
jadi tetep harus mempertimbangkan banyak aspek ...
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:45 AM   #3
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Gw sih melihatnya yah.... Mereka bukan Naturalisasi sih... Sebenernya mereka itu bakat2 yg terbuang akibat sistem pembinaan PSSI yg amburadul.... So, kalau youth di tanah air ga ada, yah kita cari org2 Indonesia di luar sana yg lenih terbina secara profesional dan bukan karena uang...
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:50 AM   #4
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ya selama yg dinaturalisasi bakal membawa perubahan besar ato emang kemampuannya jauh di atas rata2 pemain yg ada sekarang david kira bagus banget...
asal si pemain ada keturunan and udah mengerti tentang indonesia serta bener2 berhati indonesia

miris juga liat irfan bachdim yg blom bisa bahasa indonesia..
kalo dia bisa nyanyi indonesia raya apakah dia mengrti artinya??
lebih mending Kim kurniawan yg lumayan biusa bahasa dan lebih mengerti ttg indonesia

hal2 ini yg juga salah satu yg harus diperhatikan selain faktor keturunan
rasa nasionalisme yg benar-benar.. bukan rasa nasionalisme karena ingin main di timnas aja

nah kalo pemain naturalisasinya berkualitas ga jauh dari pemain yg ada ya lebih baik mengembangkan pemain muda kita
toh sebenernya banyak pemain kita yg berbakat seperti kurnia mega dan Okto
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:54 AM   #5
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singkat saja...

itu cuma salah satu proyek PSSI untuk menghindar dari tanggung jawab membangun kompetisi yang sanggup menghasilkan tim nasional yang baik...

nuff said...

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Old 07-01-2011, 09:59 AM   #6
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Naturalisasi Singapura dengan Filipina kan beda ya. Singapura orang asing di jadiin WN sana, klo Filipina kan berdarah Filipina tapi WN luar dan akhirnya di WN Filipina-kan.

Ya selama konsep naturalisasi Filipina yang dipake ya aku sih oke2 aja. Lagian ini kan bentuk pengakuan PSSI sendiri klo mereka nggak mampu bikin pengembangan pemaen lokal yang bagus, kompetisi yang bermutu yang mendukung timnas dan terntunya manajemen yang jelek. Akhirnya nyari pemaen "asing" buat di Indonesia-kan.

Tapi kadang sedikit malu juga... Malaysia aja bisa dengan 100% lokal, eh Indonesia pake pemaen asing. Meski bisa ngeles mereka (pemaen naturalisasi) adalah pemaen yang punya darah Indonesia, jadi bukan murni asing.
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:01 AM   #7
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ga ada yg salah sama naturalisasi
negara eropa jg banyak yg mengadopsi sistem ini

emang sih kesan ny terlihat instan..
tp emang gitu kan kenyataan ny

mungkin pemain yg dinaturalisasi ini ga cuma utk meraih gelar juara
tp bisa memberikan efek semangat berlebih di tubuh timnas..
ambil contoh Gonzalez..walaupun dia pemain uruguay tp dia mempunyai semangat dalam membela Indonesia.. walaupun ga mengecilkan peran pemain yg lain

nah "semangat" Gonzalez ini yg seharusnya bisa diambil sama pemain asli Indonesia
orang bule aja mati2an membela Indonesia, kok WNI sendiri ga punya "Semangat" kayak gitu

tapi seperti opa bilang
segala ketentuan berlaku.. ga asal maen comot
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Naturalisasi perlu di dunia sepak bola kita yg sedang sakit parah ini.....
napa musti sok mampu kalau kenyataannya gak bisa apa2,..??? toh
negara eropa yg sepakbolanya jauh diatas kita saja banyak pake pemain
luar...contoh Jerman, Portugal dan yg lebih ekstrim tuh Francis yg banyak
diisi oleh keturunan imigran...jgn takut para pemain muda tidak bs tampil,
justru kita takut dengan kondisi skrg yg tidak jelas mereka mau kemana
walau punya bakat besar,karena banyak sistem yg salah di tubuh induk
sepak bola yg cuman ngurusin duit....
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@bro Edy...cara berpikirnya salah kalau begitu, bro...(menurutku)...

bro Edy sendiri bilang kalau yang sedang sakit parah itu dunia sepakbola kita...

bukan cuma tim nasional yang hanya merupakan puncak dunia sepakbola kita...

kalau cuma puncaknya diperindah...tapi akarnya busuk...

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@bro Edy...cara berpikirnya salah kalau begitu, bro...(menurutku)...

bro Edy sendiri bilang kalau yang sedang sakit parah itu dunia sepakbola kita...

bukan cuma tim nasional yang hanya merupakan puncak dunia sepakbola kita...

kalau cuma puncaknya diperindah...tapi akarnya busuk...

itu ga menyembuhkan penyakitnya...
sy jg nulis diakhir bro,..penyebabnya sapa tuh...
sy jg bagian dr akar yg bro Kubo maksud...males
dan muak dah nyeritainnya....hehehe
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