FA (Referee) vs United

[ronysnaja]

dapet dari guardian nih:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...chester-united

lengkapnya:


Alex Ferguson under fire from referees after new outburst at Anfield
* Louise Taylor and Andy Hunter
* guardian.co.uk, Monday 26 October 2009 22.00 GMT

Referees have responded forcefully to Sir Alex Ferguson's criticisms of their abilities by claiming the Manchester United manager's knowledge of football's rules is alarmingly hazy and that his twin attacks on Alan Wiley and Andre Marriner should prompt a stadium ban. "It's so frustrating when a manager as experienced and respected as Sir Alex Ferguson makes a statement about the laws of the game which is completely inaccurate," said Jeff Winter, a former Premier League referee.

Winter was highlighting Ferguson's insistence that Jamie Carragher should have been shown a red rather than yellow card for hauling down Michael Owen on the edge of the area during United's 2-0 defeat at Liverpool yesterday.

Another senior refereeing source, still officiating at Premier League matches, agreed with Winter. "Ferguson clearly doesn't understand the law about the denial of an obvious goal-scoring opportunity," he said. "The fouled player has to have full control of the ball and has to be moving towards the goal but Michael Owen did not fulfil either condition.

"[Sunday's match official] Andre Marriner was absolutely right to award a yellow card and a direct free-kick," he added. "It would have been totally wrong for him to have sent Jamie Carragher off. And Sir Alex should never have said that Andre Marriner was not an experienced referee when he is on the Fifa list and got all the important decisions right on Sunday."

Ferguson's latest comments, although circumspect in comparison with his criticism of Wiley, were being analysed by the Football Association's compliance department today. It is understood, however, that the FA is unlikely to bring any charges against the United manager for questioning Marriner's experience to officiate a game of Sunday's magnitude or criticising the referee's refusal to dismiss Carragher or award a penalty against the Liverpool defender for a challenge on Michael Carrick.

As a veteran of several run-ins with Ferguson, Winter wonders if United's manager was merely deflecting attention from a defeat. "I don't know if Sir Alex Ferguson has got a problem with referees but he has got a problem when Manchester United don't win and blaming the referee is the easy option," he said. "His statement about Carragher shows that either he doesn't know the laws of the game or he's resorting to mind games again."

Winter disagrees with suggestions that Ferguson is mellowing with age. "There are signs that his temper is getting worse," he said. "Some of his touchline antics, when you see the veins standing out on his neck and see him swearing and shouting, are not too good for his own health let alone anyone else's.

"I don't know whether it's age or what but he seems to be getting less tolerant of everybody and everything – especially when Manchester United don't manage to win. This sort of thing seems to be happening every other week with him now."

Like others in the refereeing fraternity, Winter is hoping that the FA will punish Ferguson severely for not just yesterday's comments but his suggestions that Wiley's fitness was suspect following United's recent 2-2 home draw against Sunderland.

"If I were the FA I would personally impose a Fifa-style stadium ban on Sir Alex," said Winter. "I think it's got to be harsh punishment to teach him and everyone else a lesson. The FA have to take serious action against him. Anything less and the Respect campaign is dead in the water. They've got to show Sir Alex and everyone else that behaviour like this will not be tolerated. A fine or, in this case, even a touchline ban won't be enough."

A stadium ban would leave Ferguson watching from the stands and barred from any contact with his players before or during a match once they have entered the stadium. In 2005 Chelsea's then-manager Jose Mourinho received a two-game stadium ban following his comments about Anders Frisk following a Champions League game against Barcelona.

Winter felt Marriner had a "very good" game but acknowledged it was the referee's first Premier League game involving two top-four teams. "There's a first time for everything, though," said Winter. "Andre did well because players from both sides had clearly been told to pressure him and I noticed that his every decision was contested by at least three players."

He also feels the FA should speed up their disciplinary procedures. "All this suggests that Sir Alex isn't really concerned about the authorities," he said. "It's three-and-a-half weeks since his comments about Alan Wiley and still nothing has happened."

Ada yang ngarti gak sih ama aturan foul di bola itu..
Menurut pandangan gw sih Carra bener2 harusnya di Red Card.. tapi kok aturannya yang disebut diatas beda ya?

mohon pencerahannya

[juliand_fergie]

Originally Posted by ronysnaja

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Winter was highlighting Ferguson's insistence that Jamie Carragher should have been shown a red rather than yellow card for hauling down Michael Owen on the edge of the area during United's 2-0 defeat at Liverpool yesterday.

Another senior refereeing source, still officiating at Premier League matches, agreed with Winter. "Ferguson clearly doesn't understand the law about the denial of an obvious goal-scoring opportunity," he said. "The fouled player has to have full control of the ball and has to be moving towards the goal but Michael Owen did not fulfil either condition.
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Ada yang ngarti gak sih ama aturan foul di bola itu..
Menurut pandangan gw sih Carra bener2 harusnya di Red Card.. tapi kok aturannya yang disebut diatas beda ya?

mohon pencerahannya

bukannya mau sok ngerti yaa, tapi kalo liat keterangan Jeff Winter diatas, yang harusnya direct red-card itu kayanya kalo si pemegang bola [Owen] ditekel pemain lawan [Carragher], saat ia sedang berlari dengan bebas kearah kiper lawan [Reina], alias posisi dia emang benar² berpotensi u/ bikin gol.. [1-on-1 dgn kiper]

sebagai contoh, mungkin ada yg inget dulu *kalo ga salah waktu lawan Newcastle* Solskjaer juga pernah di kartu merah waktu dia nekel *kalo g salah Shearer*.. posisinya waktu itu Shearer udh berlari bebas dan tinggal berhadapan dgn Schmeichel.. pemain yg paling deket cuma Ole, dan dia terpaksa menekel Shearer agar tdk terjadi gol.. alhasil, Ole pun langsung di usir wasit.

nah, sedangkan posisi Owen kemarin menurut pendapat gue emg ga seperti Shearer. posisi owen saat mendribel bola juga tidak terlalu bebas karena posisi Carra cukup berdekatan dgn Owen *alias owen tidak one-on-one dengan Reina*
mungkin itu alasannya kenapa Carra hanya di kartu kuning dan tidak langsung di usir oleh Andre Marriner...

kalo ada yg lebih mengerti lagi, mohon dikoreksi ya...

[goodfron]

Benar kasusnya owen memang blon 1 on 1 dg reina, yg perlu diertimbangkan adalah carra adl dlm posisi sbg orang terakhir di pertahanan pool ditambah owen dlm posisi sdh hampir bisa nglewatin carra andai dia gak dijatuhkan dan sdh pasti peluang utk bikin gol lbh besar dg tinggal berhadapan dg reina.
So.. Kalo saya lbh menekankan pd carra orang terakhir di lini pertahanan pool.
Begitu jg vidic seharusnya
Cukup obyektif bukan?
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[juliand_fergie]

Originally Posted by goodfron

Benar kasusnya owen memang blon 1 on 1 dg reina, yg perlu diertimbangkan adalah carra adl dlm posisi sbg orang terakhir di pertahanan pool ditambah owen dlm posisi sdh hampir bisa nglewatin carra andai dia gak dijatuhkan dan sdh pasti peluang utk bikin gol lbh besar dg tinggal berhadapan dg reina.
So.. Kalo saya lbh menekankan pd carra orang terakhir di lini pertahanan pool.
Begitu jg vidic seharusnya
Cukup obyektif bukan?
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bisa juga bro.. tapi sekali lagi, kalo baca statement Jeff Winter, Owen itu posisinya harus bener² in-charge ama tu bola.. artinya dia udh pasti berhadapan dgn Reina trus ditekel, baru mungkin bisa di red-card..

nah, pas kemaren emg menurut gw posisi Owen itu baru mau melewati Carra trus ditekel... posisinya belum bener² in-charge ama bola, makanya Andre Marriner cuman ngasih kartu kuning aja.. dan sekali lagi, perbandingan gw dengan situasi Ole waktu dulu di red card..

ilustrasi aja:

situasi Ole:
Schmeichel <======== Shearer<=== Ole


situasi Carra-Owen
Reina <======= Carra
______<====== Owen

this is just my humble opinion though...

[RedRob]

imo, pemain yang bersangkutan gak harus udah berhadapan 1 dengan 1 sama kiper... kalo gak salah banyak juga kasus seperti itu.. kalau mengacu ke pernyataan ini..

Another senior refereeing source, still officiating at Premier League matches, agreed with Winter. "Ferguson clearly doesn't understand the law about the denial of an obvious goal-scoring opportunity," he said. "The fouled player has to have full control of the ball and has to be moving towards the goal but Michael Owen did not fulfil either condition.

Owen memang gak membawa bola tersebut dalam arti men-dribble.. tapi dia melakukan sebuah flick ke arah samping dimana bola tersebut akan melewati Carra dan terkuasai untuk langsung menuju ke arah Reina.. Carra sebagai orang terakhir udah out of position untuk merebut bola, dalam arti lain, dia gak punya kontrol terhadap bola.. jadi bukan 50-50.. sehingga otomatis Owen akan punya peluang besar untuk mencetak gol.. so, kartu merah harusnya diberikan..

gw rasa, pernyataan SAF jadi berbalik menghantam dia... di kepala para wasit, disengaja atau tidak, jadi tertanam resistensi terhadap dia...

[juliand_fergie]

Originally Posted by RedRob

imo, pemain yang bersangkutan gak harus udah berhadapan 1 dengan 1 sama kiper... kalo gak salah banyak juga kasus seperti itu.. kalau mengacu ke pernyataan ini..



Owen memang gak membawa bola tersebut dalam arti men-dribble.. tapi dia melakukan sebuah flick ke arah samping dimana bola tersebut akan melewati Carra dan terkuasai untuk langsung menuju ke arah Reina.. Carra sebagai orang terakhir udah out of position untuk merebut bola, dalam arti lain, dia gak punya kontrol terhadap bola.. jadi bukan 50-50.. sehingga otomatis Owen akan punya peluang besar untuk mencetak gol.. so, kartu merah harusnya diberikan..

gw rasa, pernyataan SAF jadi berbalik menghantam dia... di kepala para wasit, disengaja atau tidak, jadi tertanam resistensi terhadap dia...

I have to agree on this one.. SAF emg sering protes keras & kena fine dari FA. kayanya wasit2 BPL bakalan kompak u/ m'jadikan SAF as their P.E. #1...
Hopefully, they're not going to banned SAF on United's future match...
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[Red Army]

saya gak liat replay Owen tp info dari temen yg antek2 The Kop bilang, Carra bukan orang terakhir, krn masih ada pemain Pools lebih belakang posisinya tp tipis banget

[hendiplast]

Sir Alex Ferguson banned for two games after Alan Wiley jibe

• Ferguson handed four-match ban, two of which suspended
• United manager to sit out Portsmouth and Everton matches




The Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has been brought to book following his criticism of the referee Alan Wiley. Photograph: Joe Toth/Joe Toth / BPI

Sir Alex Ferguson has been handed a four-match ban, two of which will be suspended and fined £20,000 for his comments made about the referee Alan Wiley last month.

The Manchester United manager has also been warned about his future conduct after he met with an FA Regulatory Commission to explain his claims that Wiley was not physically fit enough to referee, which were made following United's 2-2 draw with Sunderland.

Ferguson will now be forced to watch United's next two matches from the stands, at home to Everton and away to Portsmouth, while the suspended sanction will be automatically activated should Ferguson be found guilty of a similar charge before the end of the 2010-11 season on top of any sanction imposed for that offence.

The commission's chairman Peter Griffiths QC said after the hearing: "Each member of the commission recognised Sir Alex Ferguson's achievements and stature within the game. Having said that, it was made clear to Sir Alex that with such stature comes increased responsibilities.

"The commission considered his admitted remarks, in the context in which they were made, were not just improper but were grossly improper and wholly inappropriate. He should never have said what he did say."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...erguson-banned

[ridho_htrk]

Kamis, 12/11/2009 22:09 WIB
Fergie Dihukum Empat Laga
Kris Fathoni W - detiksport


London - Sir Alex Ferguson akan absen di bench Manchester United dalam dua partai Liga Primer ke depan. Ini adalah bagian dari sanksi untuknya usai mengkritik wasit bulan lalu.

Usai laga antara MU kontra Sunderland awal Oktober lalu, Fergie mengeluarkan komentar miring kepada wasit Alan Wiley yang memimpin pertandingan, yang dia nilai kurang fit.

Atas komentarnya tersebut, Fergie lantas didakwa atas tindakan yang tidak pantas. Sang pria asal Skotlandia itu pun sudah mengaku bersalah atas dakwaan tersebut.

Pada prosesnya, Fergie kini mendapat hukuman dari Komisi Peraturan FA berupa larangan menemani timnya di tepi lapangan dalam empat partai Liga Primer, kendati dua partai di antaranya masih ditangguhkan sampai akhir musim 2010/11.

Dua sanksi yang ditangguhkan tersebut bersifat hukuman percobaan. Artinya, hukuman akan berlaku otomatis jika Fergie ketahuan bersalah lagi atas kasus serupa sebelum akhir musim 2010/11.

Selain hukuman di empat laga tersebut, Fergie juga diharuskan membayar denda uang sebesar 20 ribu poundsterling dan mendapat peringatan atas tindakannya.

"Setiap anggota dari Komisi ini menyadari pencapaian dan eksistensi Sir Alex Ferguson dalam dunia sepakbola. Dengan begitu, jelas bahwa eksistensi Sir Alex juga harus disertai dengan tanggung jawab yang besar," ucap Ketua Komisi Peter Griffiths di situs MU.

"Komisi ini sudah mempertimbangkan pengakuannya atas pernyataan tersebut, dalam konteks pernyataan yang sudah dilontarkan itu bukan hanya tak pantas tapi sangat tidak layak. Dia seharusnya tidak mengeluarkan komentar itu," lanjut Griffiths.

Dengan hukuman ini, artinya Fergie harus menyaksikan pertandingan dari kursi penonton ketika MU menjamu Everton dan kemudian melawat ke markas Portsmouth.

( krs / key )

wahhh...tanpa opa ni di bench... mudah2 an pemain United tahu apa yg diinginkan opa...

[cr7lover]

moga2 permaenan United ga jadi kacau karena ini